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Discussion in 'Historics & Reissues' started by HearHear, Sep 30, 2017.
I wouldn't pay that for any guitar..... Oh yeh... and I cant afford it.
Or get any number of vintage guitars from the 60's. Screw new.
"This might be the best guitar I have ever played! But. Spend $400, 000 on a Les Paul? F*** no."
- Phil X
Just because a guitar is old doesn't necessarily mean it's going to sound better than a newer guitar.
Old guitars were built hit or miss back then too.
This would be my suggestion as well. Commission a luthier to build you a Burst to the exact specs you want, most importantly the neck profile and overall weight. Some will even let you select your top from photos of a number they have, or can get. Ask for the exact degree of top carve you prefer. Pick out the precise shades of colors you want on the spray job, how wide the outer ring of the Burst is, everything. The amount and type of aging. Spec all the parts. Commission a pickup winder to make you a personalized set of PAFs, replicating whatever sound you "have in your head," or hear from your favorite player(s). Make the instrument the Burst of your dreams.
I bet it still comes out cheaper than a TH, possibly by a lot. Mine certainly did.
I second mr. Duane, for what it's worth.
I think you've already answered your question...
It's a lot of money. That kind of thing is better bought used.
But then again, if it is THAT particular guitar.
You should be able to try before you buy though on such an expensive one...
I remember dreaming about buying a certain truck and when I got inside of it for fun in a showroom
I found I absolutely hated the interior. SO much so that I wouldn't have bought it at half-price!
I was so glad I got in, problem solved!
If all fails, buy it!. Lots of people lose all kind of moneys in bars, stocks, divorces!!!, whatever.
In the long run, a once in a lifetime crazy move won't hurt you.
Stop with the Porn already!
I didn't pay anywhere close to that, for my 2015 TH '57 Black Beauty.
Very true! My logic here is that if something has been kicking around for 50 years and is still being played, its probably a percentage of the good ones. Like they say about the Fabled 59's: there were probably 5x as many crap ones as there remain extant 'great' ones.
A new Gibson however .. at best will be OK and more likely than not it will be 'meh'. This is because, like music generally in my opinion, they have refined production to such an extent that they have eliminated all possibility of deviance from the template: industrial machines for every little task, PCB's, plasticisers, CNC routing and winding, wax potting, plek, robo tuners etc etc. That gives you a remarkably consistent product and eliminates all hope of something breaking the mould.
Which if you think about it like that .. is precisely the antithesis of evolution ..
So they will always be 'meh' with the potential only to get more sterile.
I also think this is why boutique is coming back in a big way. Skilled human hands can create something just consistent enough to be quantifiable, but with the potential to throw a curve ball now and then that redefines the product.
Its not just guitars .. people are sick of mass produced crap generally. At least in most cases the price reflects that. Not so Gibson. Hence why, I'll always buy used and preferably Vintage.
You could pick yourself up a real, great sounding, great playing 1950's Les Paul Junior for way less than this new recreation costs and still have money for a family holiday after. Not saying it's a bad guitar, but these prices just don't seem sane.
Thanks for the link! I bought one last night. Wish I would've seen this thread earlier! Listed at $6999.99 now and I asked for 20% off. Told them at the price they were asking, it would be a tough sell. Got my 20% off! Should be here Monday. I'm absolutely lying. I can't justify any guitar for this price. Even if it was the actual original and hand delivered by my biggest influence. I'm not that great of a player so it's hard to justify it and it's a basically a toy...I don't get paid to play and probably never will be. If I bought one, I'd be super happy with it, but not happy enough to stop the tears of spending $7k on a guitar. I can't even justify $2k for me. On the other hand, my son already outshines me with his skills. If he took off even more than he has, which I don't doubt will happen, I'd easily drop $2k on a guitar for him. But $7k, he'd have to be doing international tours...
I posted previously but chose to delete it because it expressed my opinion on the attempts to market something new as "Historic". After posting I realized there are a lot of guitars out there that I consider stupid expensive that are not marketed as being "historic" that I also would never consider buying.
I could spend $8-$10K on a guitar if I wanted to, but I balk at the idea that any guitar (barring those with documented historical provenance, where the value is not based the instrument but its history) is worth much over $3k, and personally would probably never spend even $2K.
Once you reach a certain financial threshold, there are probably cultural anthropology considerations at work one could delve into, to understand why some of us would never consider paying over $X for a guitar while others wouldn't hesitiate.
For me, its just how I'm wired. I want guitars to play and they are going to get bumped a bruised and I honestly can't hear a nickles difference between a $1700 Les Paul and a $10,000 Les Paul once the drummer comes in.
It's your money, so if the price doesn't scare you off, then by all means consider it. Having 2 guitars is not necessarily practical. Personally, I would be willing to spend a lot for any guitar as long as I got to play it first. I'm not a fan of buying online.
It's Only Money
You can always Make More
Nope. Even though I play Gibson alternatives I know nothing is quite like a genuine les paul even if that difference lies mostly within my own brain. But even knowing that I cant justify that much on replica of a 59. And to me that is really what it is. Different people, different city. If I had to have one I would be looking used. I mean they are aged anyways and I see more deals on historics than I do on core models for some reason. Its not uncommon to see these things going for a lot less and it may have an added scratch by the previous owner but its more honest wear than what the custom shop does anyways. But I am a shopper driven by value. Its why I own an Edwards and not a genuine LP. But I still want that damn Gibson logo. Even though, I know I might not even like the guitar as much. I know your situation is a little different. But the moral of the story is the same. And that is we all have to evaluate what "worth it" means to us as individuals. Just because I wouldn't pay that much for a historic doesn't mean you shouldn't. You should do what you can afford, and what makes you happy. Regrets suck. Especially when its supposed to be the fun part of life.
It isn't entirely about the money.
Somehow I might have nine guitars- which is a fact as absurd as the price of this TH guitar. I am sure many of us here have a good deal more sunk in our collections than this one guitar cost.
If even just a year ago, someone told me that owning a very special guitar or two would motivate me to sell all other guitars, I would have found it to be crazy talk. But it happened, and now I get it. In my case, these were relatively affordable- but they are special.
If this guitar 'has it' I could see taking action. But I would literally have to live with it a few weeks to know.
But I believe the reality is quite different: that a guitar at this price is highly unlikely to be purchased as a player's guitar. Players never were the intended market. And there is nothing wrong with that. A used Studio costs next to nothing. Used Standards are affordable- as are reissues. I wonder how many Epiphones are sold per TH.
I was buying wine the other day- wondering who actually bought all the $300 bottles. But someone does. I am reminded that wine price correlates to scarcity (and marketing) more than quality. Same here, I believe.
no way, for 8 k i would buy 2 guitars & 1 great amp.
NOW IT'S ON SALE FOR 69999. I'D MAKE AN OFFER IF I WAS YOU. THEY MIGHT TAKE IT.
Guitars are pretty cheap compared to other stringed instruments like violins and cellos.
Did you ever consider having a real Luthier like Guy Valic make you a true 1959 burst just for you?. It will cost Less!
I'd pay $10,000 for one they are that good, and i just might