Why are Epis considered so inferior? (NGD!)

Discussion in 'Other Epiphones' started by mbell75, Mar 10, 2014.

  1. Howard2k

    Howard2k Premium Member

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    I have both. Before I had a Gibson Les Paul I simply could not believe that a Gibson Les Paul at 3 or 4 times the price of the Epi was 3 or 4 times better. I'm still not convinced.

    But for me, there IS a marked difference. I love the larger frets on the Gibson, I prefer the nitro finish and the real binding.

    Having said that, when I picked up a 339 I looked at both Gibson and Epi options. I liked the feel of the Gibson more, but just couldn't justify the price differential (the Gibson is FIVE TIMES more expensive!). But hey, I consider myself lucky enough to have the choice. I prefer the larger frets on the Gibson by a long way, but if I take my 339 out to a jam and the headstock gets smashed then I'm out a $500 guitar, not a $2,500 guitar.

    Play whatever you like, justify the money however you like. There is certainly a place for both brands.
     
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  2. Azathoth

    Azathoth Senior Member

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    Never underestimate the hipsterism of the cork sniffers. I know people who consider any guitar with a widely known brand name to be beneath them.
     
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  4. mbell75

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  5. cheetah77

    cheetah77 Senior Member

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    I own both old and new Epi's, and a couple Gibsons. My 60s Epi acoustic has tons of vibe, I've had it a long time and it's always been a great feeling and sounding guitar. My Epi Dot is a fine guitar, I've owned it for nearly 12 years now and it still feels like the day I bought it, kinda stiff, plasticky and cheap. No modern Epi I've played even comes close in feel to my 60s Epi, or my CS Gibsons and Fenders.

    There is no comparison between vintage and current production Epiphones.

    That being said, if you love your modern Epi, who cares what anyone else thinks?
     
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  6. LPofBorg

    LPofBorg Warranty Voider Premium Member

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    Cheers on the Casino! Fine looking instrument! And happy NGD! My next will be a Dot, and possibly looking at Casino after that. Recently picked up a Joe Bonamassa Les Paul and am loving it. I played a $3000 Gibson before picking up the $600 Epi, and yes there was a difference. But nowhere near a $2400 difference. The JB sports Gibson BB2 in the neck and BB3 in the bridge, is constructed well, is wired 50's style, and is detailed in very good quality. For what I would have paid for one Gibson, I can play three high quality Epi's. That sort of math makes sense to me.
     
  7. northernguitarguy

    northernguitarguy SWeAT hOg

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    IMO, 'best components' is a guitar myth. 'Good enough' works very well. :cool:

    Go sniff your 'gold-tipped' RCA cables. :lol:


    To OP, HNGD!
     
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  8. HRC

    HRC Senior Member

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    I don't know about "so" inferior but inferior, yes.

    Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to fool themselves.

    Some Epis are decent and some Gibson's are junk but overall there's no comparison.
     
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  9. paruwi

    paruwi Kraut-Rocker Super Mod Premium Member

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    Fixed it for more truth....:D
     
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  10. shupe13

    shupe13 Senior Member

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    Congrats on the new Casino!

    I have and have had several Epis and I'm a huge fan! I'm new to Squier for the most part and I'm a big fan of them too!

    I'm fortunate enough to play before I buy so I can't bitch if I were to pick a bad one and I haven't yet. If I were to expect the same sound and feel when comparing a $400 guitar to a $2000 guitar, that would be a little unrealistic imo. Playability is a very realistic expectation with a proper set up.

    "Inferior" is very derogatory and unfair IMO.
     
  11. tenchijin2

    tenchijin2 Senior Member

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    That's interesting. I sat down with an Epi 339 and a Gibson 339 in the audition room with my wife. With her back to me, she clearly preferred the sound of the Gibson. Sound is subjective but I agreed. I also felt the Epi felt kind of "plastic" whereas the Gibson felt like nice finished wood. I didn't think the Epi was a bad guitar, just that the Gibson was certainly nicer. It felt better and looked better. Ultimately each of us has to decide if that level of "nicer" justifies the price. To me, it does. But I certainly wouldn't look down on someone for owning the Epiphone. it's a capable guitar and a good value.
     
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  12. Howard2k

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    Just barely in my hands! :laugh2:
     
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  13. michaelinokc

    michaelinokc Senior Member

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    Congrats on the new guitar! I've played both and enjoyed both Epiphones and Gibsons. The biggest differences between the two in my opinion is the electronics and the finish. Both of the Epiphone electric guitars I've owned were of excellent build quality. I don't own the guitars anymore, but if I had been unable to afford more expensive guitars, I'd still be happily playing them. They are excellent guitars in their price range.
     
  14. dspelman

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    Since Gibson has owned the Epiphone brand, it's consciously worked to make sure that Epiphone was perceived as a lesser brand. This is part of the Gibson corporate "culture," much as if someday Coke took over Pepsi.

    Back in the day, they were fierce competitors, and honestly, Epiphone put out some guitars that were superior to the Gibson model that competed with them (the Emperor at the top of the line in the late '30's forced Gibson to play catch up). It's been the Gibson philosophy to grind Epi under its heel (so to speak) by making them very much a second banana.

    Every now and then, however, the folks at Epiphone (even though they're on the Gibson payroll) who take pride in their work and their brand, manage to put out guitars that exceed their mandate. That happened with the Japanese-constructed guitars, and it happened with the Korean-built guitars (which were not built in Gibson-owned factories). The Qindao factory, even though wholly owned by Gibson, seems to be quietly sneaking up on them again, and some of the Indonesian-based production (which may not be wholly Gibson owned) wants to compete and has the chops to do so.

    Primarily, I think, price is the measure by which some folks accord respect. If it's more expensive, it must be better. And after all, Gibson has the better reputation in the modern era, whether completely deserved or not.
     
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    I haven't read through all the replies to this thread, but I will say this. I own several Epi's (Elitist Casino, Wildkat, Dot, DR100, DR212 and a banjo). Yeah, I said banjo :laugh2:

    I also own Gibby's, Fender's, Carvin's, Gretsch, Ovation, well, you get the idea.

    My Epi's are some of my most precious guitars. I find the fit/finish/quality/bang for the buck to be second to none. I've modded the Dot and 'Kat, but not that there was anything wrong with them, just personal preference. GO EPI!!!!! :applause:
     
  16. Chuck M

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    I own several brand guitars too. The Epi's I own are fantastic, but I wouldn't go so far as to say they are my most precious! There are many other brands out there that are just as good
    "bang for the buck" guitars.

    That's just my opinion on your opinion..:)

    Chuck M
     
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    dennis g Senior Member

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    I didn't mean most precious in terms of $ but of preference to play, and I agree on the "other brands" comment as well. Didn't mean to imply that there weren't.

    And that's my opinion on your opinion of my opinion :laugh2::laugh2:

    don't ya just love these forums? LOL
     
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    On my way right now to pick up my birthday present!

    A Casino IBJL Revolution! I am really excited about it and hope it is as good as i have read here on the forum!!

    It will be my first Epiphone ever!

    More info and pics hopefully within a few hours time!
     
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  19. The Peacemaker

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    Let me say first that I am a beginner and that I have alot to learn. This site is great for that.
    Having said that my friend, who is a expert Luthier for 40 yrs told me that ALL guitars need some work straight from the factory, even the top of the line Gibsons. He also said that he would put any Epi up against any Gibson after it has been properly set up. Setup is the key. For what I saved on my Epi LP Custom plus $120.00 for fret work and new pot/caps I am still far ahead and have a equally sounding guitar. IMO.
    I have Gibsons (1984 Exporer, 1956 ES125) and they sound great, but my "go to" is my Epi LP

    Setup is the key.
     
  20. SteveGangi

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    One thing you gotta ask along with the "is it good enough" is, what model. Some are just magnificent.. I played an Epi Emperor a little bit last week that was just amazingly good. I'm also crazy about Wildkats and Casinos, even though I don't own any.
     
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