Why are Epis considered so inferior? (NGD!)

Discussion in 'Other Epiphones' started by mbell75, Mar 10, 2014.

  1. mbell75

    mbell75 Senior Member

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    Good enough for the likes of the Beatles, the Stones, Dylan (acoustic) but not good enough for the kid playing in his house or the 40 year old guy playing in some lame local band who thinks he's amazing? Brand snobs! I have an ES339 that I dropped BB2 and BB3 pickups into and changed the nut. Total was $660 for a guitar that looks, plays and sounds just as good as the $2600 Gibson IMO. Just picked up a Casino today, really like the pickups in them and its very well made. In fact, its just as well made as these sub $1k Gibson LPs lately. I returned my 2014 LPJ. Poor QC, terrible fret work and sharp edges. Even my $1200 semi hollow special LP has some minor issues in the build. I must say I am impressed with the Epiphone brand!
     

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  2. JayFreddy

    JayFreddy Premium Member

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    For the same reason Squier is considered inferior: Marketing.

    That's not to say that Squier and Epiphone are equal to Fender or Gibson, but the Chinese Epiphone factories are making some of the best guitars to wear the Epiphone brand since the 1960's. They deserve credit for that.

    I don't think Epiphone are equal to Gibson yet, but there is definitely some overlap between the two brands, and if Gibson doesn't watch their Quality Control, the higher-end Epiphones will be grabbing an larger chunk of Gibson's market share. They're already getting some...

    Ps. Happy New Guitar Day! The Casinos are really nice...

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  3. Axelorox

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    To be fair they were made in the U.S. back then (at least in the time of the Beatles; don't know enough about the others to be sure).

    In my experience the models that are uniquely Epiphone's such as the various archtops or the Casino tend to be pretty/quite good, while their budget versions of classic Gibson models can sometimes be rather lacking. Sure you can swap out components but I'd rather play my guitar than worry about doing all of that.
     
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    hrfdez Senior Member

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    Congrats on the new guitar! That is a nice looking one! Enjoy it!
     
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    quite simply because they don't use the best of components & decidedly more assembly line made than the other brands.

    those Epiphones the aforementioned players used were a different grade of instrument than what's offered now the difference is even bigger than between the 50's Les Paul & what Gibson passes for a Les Paul today.
     
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  6. Mexicanbreed

    Mexicanbreed Senior Member

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    That's a really fantastic statement! Please back it up.

    OP, glad you like your guitar. Enjoy It!
     
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  7. paruwi

    paruwi Kraut-Rocker Super Mod Premium Member

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    I think they use the best components for the money they charge....

    Why do you think other brands do less assembly line work than Epi ?

    Did you ever see pics of the Epi factory and compared them to other brands factories ?

    and Yep, those US made Epis are completely different :thumb:
     
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  8. paruwi

    paruwi Kraut-Rocker Super Mod Premium Member

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    Happy New Cassy Day :thumb:

    Why are Epis considered so inferior?

    I've read alot of bad mouthing from people who never owned Epis.....
     
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  9. Stevie 202

    Stevie 202 Senior Member

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    In the right hands, they make a sweet, sweet noise
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    I want one of these real bad.
     
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  10. Brians Evil Twin

    Brians Evil Twin Poophoria Sōtō Zen V.I.P. Member

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    Old timers and increasingly professional musicians do not consider Epiphone guitars to be inferior.

    Epiphone was considered as good as if not better than Gibson for decades until Epi Stathopoulo died of leukemia in 1945. History

    Has or does Epi ever made inferior guitars? Yes, but then they also compete across all market segments now, going up against First Act and complete garbage sold by toy stores.

    Even in those categories, an LP Players Pack is a better value than almost anything out there except perhaps Squire.
     
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  11. Chuck M

    Chuck M Senior Member

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    I'm waiting for slapshot to back that one up too!!!!!

    HNGD!!!

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  12. Brians Evil Twin

    Brians Evil Twin Poophoria Sōtō Zen V.I.P. Member

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    You mean like Gibson?...

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    ...or Fender?....

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    ...or PRS?...

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    ...or Martin?

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  13. paruwi

    paruwi Kraut-Rocker Super Mod Premium Member

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    Good pics, Brian :thumb:

    ....or Epi :laugh2:

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  14. Chuck M

    Chuck M Senior Member

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    Hey, those are our Casino's their building! :)

    Chuck M
     
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    After playing my buddy's Casino, I was drawn to the Epiphone side and later I began playing more Epiphones and voila. I am a convert. I like the Epiphone side because yes, I absolutely would love a Gibson LP Deluxe but I could buy myself a car for the $2,000 - $3,000 that they cost, and I'm very impressed with my first Epiphone guitar's sound- nice to play jazz and funk on.

    The way I see it, Epiphones are the underdogs that have to prove themselves before anyone even gives them a chance. Guaranteed the only reason some old timers got into Epiphones was because of the Casino being used by The Beatles. Thing is, I'm sure some of them would never look back on their choice to side with Epiphone.

    Thing is, Epiphone makes starter guitars that give their company a bad name (Les Paul 100) because bigots and idiots compare the Les Paul 100 (not even that bad of a guitar for beginners) to other Les Paul guitars which makes me sick.
     
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    Brians Evil Twin Poophoria Sōtō Zen V.I.P. Member

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    Pretty sure this guy and his contemporaries were into Epiphones before the Beatles were out of diapers....

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    Yeah, THOSE old timers.

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  17. MidnightLes

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    Congrats!!! I played that same model Casino at a store and man... it was beautiful to play - buttery!!! I couldn't justify another $600 on my fourth guitar + the money for a case. I ended up picking up a used one (a cherry casino which is what i really, really liked) and though it didn't feel as nice (its a 2003 MIK model) it is still an amazing player - action could go extremely low, feels so nice, and sounds fantastic. Now if I could only pry out of my wife's hands! ;) (its the only one of my guitars whose weight doesn't bother her.)
     
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    Hahaha touché. I was thinking of the baby boomer generations!
     
  19. X–Ray

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    Not qualified to offer an opinion regarding Epi vs. Gibson...

    However, I can confidently say "long may you enjoy!"
     
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  20. paruwi

    paruwi Kraut-Rocker Super Mod Premium Member

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    Will Slapshot ever come back.....:naughty:
     

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