What makes a Charlie Christian pickup a Charlie Christian pickup?

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  1. 5F6-A

    5F6-A Senior Member

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    7.2k!!! that's a lot for 38 wire!
     
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    gmacdonnell V.I.P. Member

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    7.2k! That is an awful lot. It wouldn't totally surprise me, considering how little consistency there was back then. I've seen 5k+ before...

    I'd just be cautious of a rewind: I looked at one a couple years back that had been rewound with 42 gauge Formvar coated wire!
     
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    I prefer the first one. The second one looks like an early 70's one with the creme binding which is put on ends first then overlapped by the long edges, rather than the early ones which seem to have white and black binding wrapped round in one piece. Also, the reading would indicate 42 gauge wire, but some earlier ones had that too. There were the ones with bobbins fabricated from flat celluloid and others with cast bobbins containing iron filings...There are so many variants of these pickups....
     
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    Good eyes, Sgt!:thumb:
     
  5. 5F6-A

    5F6-A Senior Member

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    what value pot and cap would you use for the CC pickup? 500k / 22 nF I guess....
     
  6. gmacdonnell

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    If I remember correctly, that's what the original ES-150's had, but it might have been a lower resistance pot. I bet Sgt. knows for sure.

    Some guys experiment with them though. Danny Gatton used 250K's and .047 uf for a awhile, though i think he switched to 500k's later.
    I'm pretty sure Redd Volkert uses 250k's and 47 caps, b/c he wants his Tele's bridge pickup to have that vintage 50's tone.

    Personally, I've been liking smaller and smaller caps. I really like 0.015's and 0.1's in PIO caps, and think they'd be a good match for this pickup.

    I would say, that CC pickups tend to really respond to volume adjustments. If you listen to Charlie himself, or T-Bone Walker, there are all these cool tones and tricks they're doing just using the volume knob.
     
  7. Nigel Tufnel's tech

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    He also used 1meg pot with a .05 cap for the wah type effect he did, don't know if he used it on his CC loaded tele though.
     
  8. gmacdonnell

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    Funny- I was just going to edit my post about that! I've had quite a bit of work done with Jay Montrose, Danny's tech and Tele guru, and he's mentioned that wah-pedal type setup. I think he used those giant Orange Drops for that. But I'm not sure; he might have been using 2 Bardens by then.

    Apparently, Barden started winding pickups because Danny loved the CC pickup so much, but it overpowered his bridge unit. So the idea was to make a powerful blade-style pickup to match the CC.
     
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    Nigel Tufnel's tech Senior Member

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    Thats Cool, you must be in New Jersey then? when you see him ask him about the story of how Danny showed Seymour Duncan how he wound flatpole Broardcaster pickups. Danny had a home-made pickup winder as early as 67.
     
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    I have some family there, and I'm in NYC a lot, which is pretty close to Jay.
    Last time I talked to him, (it's been a little while,) he had moved- i forget where, but I think he's in NY state now...

    Jay is a really cool guy, and does great work. Anyone who likes Tele's should check him out.

    I didn't know that about Danny! man, he sure was something else, wasn't he!
     
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    I'm afraid I don't. I've seen early ones with both pots 250K and also with 500K volume and 250K tone. As far as I know, the ES-175s always had all 500K pots. I've not taken the pots out of too many so don't know how the majority were but just the few I've seen.
     
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    That's alright. It doesn't actually surprise me too much: i wonder if it was even that standardized back then. I had a guitar teacher in school who was a huge Charlie Christian fan, and he has 2 ES-150's and an ES-250, and they all very very different, electronically, if i remember correctly.
     
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    whta would you go for? 500k or 250k?
     
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    I'm thinking 500k vol, 250k tone and 0.1 ceramic cap.
     
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    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Excellent thread! I've just learned quite a bit about these great pickups.

    Thanks, fellas, really! :cheers:
     
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    This is one of the best necros I've read. Gmac's posts ... great.
     
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    A lot of us miss Gabriel contributions... Hope you are ok, buddy.
     
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    Wow this was a great thread, I've always been fascinated by CC pickups!
     
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    Can't believe I missed this excellent informative thread. Always wondered what Roy Clark seen in these pickups (he had one in his Byrdland), now I have an idea.
     
  20. RAG7890

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    + 100.

    I'll have to go & read through this in detail, really interesting stuff. :)

    :cheers:
     

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