Tokai forum folk are snobs?....and you dismiss probably the greatest Japanese independent guitar manufacturer when only ever trying a Fakia? Haha. The very fact that there ARE fake Tokais - as you have admitted to - goes to show why there is a necessary "snob" attitude ( as you put it) to make sure there is valuable, accurate and correct info out there for those looking for legitimate instruments. Those guys are doing a serious good service over there AND here - don't dismiss a hard line, truth search attitude for snobbery. Also remember that Tokai probably led the pack in forcing the American manufacturers to get their acts together and focus on quality again. Many here remember how poor that QC had gotten by the end of the 70's.