Vintage Bees and 50's Wiring Tone Test/Comparison

Discussion in 'Tonefreaks' started by VastHorizon, Apr 8, 2010.

  1. MrRhoads

    MrRhoads Senior Member

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    No you´re not the only one.
    Alot of people here has tested alot of caps including "real" bumblebees :)
    They sound quite ubelivable :D
     
  2. phlz_8

    phlz_8 Senior Member

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    Bees definitely are amazing.
     
  3. nwobhm

    nwobhm Senior Member

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    I just replaced the fake bees in my 2010 R8 with real .022UF/400V Bees. No wonder, some people give burstbuckers a bad rap! Changing the caps really changed my perception of them. It went from thin and harsh in the bridge to fat and chunky with a real nice growl. The neck went from overpowering and muddy in the mids to having better clarity and overall balance in all 3 postions. The dynamics and responsiveness to the volume control improved aswell.:thumb:
     
  4. fretboarder

    fretboarder Senior Member

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    my thoughts exactly!

    i think the the burstbuckers definatly need a pio cap cos wiithout them they are just far too bright but with a pio they smooth out and gain some growl..
     
  5. gtr-tek

    gtr-tek Fumble Fingers Premium Member

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    Excellent point! I'm replacing the caps in my guitars before evaluating the pups. I've discovered that some pups that didn't sound good to me before do now after good PIO caps are installed (thanks Jonsey). I would recommend to anyone thinking about new pups change the caps and/or wiring (I prefer '50s style) first and then decide. Save some money and find great tone! :dude:
     
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  6. Kickstand

    Kickstand Senior Member

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    Wow! Now who can tell me where to get some bees?
     
  7. Kickstand

    Kickstand Senior Member

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    Bummer, no .022's left...
     
  8. Indyclone

    Indyclone Senior Member

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    you could get 2 .010's (maybe even rated at .011) and run them in parallel... giving you 0.22. :)
     
  9. jonesy

    jonesy GLOBAL WIRING GURU MLP Vendor

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    A lot of the 1950's Sprague .010 Bees I have actually read between .010-.017 uf so I have been metering them in pairs for LP's like .011-.012 for the neck and .014-.016 for the bridge and that seems to be working out great for most people.

    I have sold 40-50 of these Bees here at MLPF and on ebay like that with no complaints. That's what you are hearing in this Tone test. ;)
     
  10. snaredrum

    snaredrum V.I.P. Member

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    i prefer jonesy's .010 bees to any other cap i've ever heard. love them. even in the treble position, there isn't an unusable sound anywhere in the dial.
     
  11. Indyclone

    Indyclone Senior Member

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    while I'm not using bees, a .015 cap in both positions rolls off enough for me.
     
  12. jonesy

    jonesy GLOBAL WIRING GURU MLP Vendor

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    I have an .010 Bee that actually reads .012 uf in one of my Tele's and the roll-off is perfect IMO.

    I have a pair of .010 Vitamin Q's in my SG. I love the lower value caps, less mud better mid curve. ;)
     
  13. onehippie

    onehippie Senior Member

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    good comparison had similar results
    the stock reminded me of thinned oil paint while the bees and wiring was like right of the tube with a bit of toothyness as the tone was rolled back im a 2.5 on the tone kinda guy 5 souned nice too on your clip
    yeah with my 50s pw harness/switch and 22 gudeman pio caps from Jonesy i technically also received 2 new pickups in the bargain that still baffles me. in a way you save money
     
  14. axslinger

    axslinger Senior Member

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    Nice difference. The Bees take out the harshness and really smooth things out.

    Question: How do Bees sound in comparison to Orange Drops?

    Ax
     
  15. 5F6-A

    5F6-A Senior Member

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    IME bees sound significantly better than ODs
     
  16. dazzypig

    dazzypig Senior Member

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    Wow a new sticky! And a really good one too!!! :):applause:

    The Bees clip sounded better, but I have a suggestion on the audio that make make it a bit fairer.

    This isn't a critique on you're playing at all, just in the interest of making sure the tone samples are similar. But one contributing factor to the difference in the brightness of the tone seems to be that the stock cap's sample is played with higher strings included for the intro where as on the Bees example they are left dead (like on the original recording, which your ears are tuned too).

    By having the stock cap sample with the harsh high strings sounding it does seem to accentuate the brightness of the cap.

    Thanks again for putting it up though man, makes me wonder why it hasn't already been done! Great idea! :thumb::)
     
  17. ElectricGuitarist33

    ElectricGuitarist33 Senior Member

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    Can anybody point me in the direction of somebody who can wire me up a 50's setup to drop right into my LP Studio?
     
  18. VastHorizon

    VastHorizon Senior Member

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    Send this dude a message:
    My Les Paul Forums - View Profile: jonesy
     
  19. ElectricGuitarist33

    ElectricGuitarist33 Senior Member

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    Yeah, Jonesy. I couldn't remember his name. Thanks man. That was quick.
     

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