Tune-O-Matic String Saddle Orientation

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  1. northernguitarguy

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    Hello all, good day!

    'Up' or 'down'. Does it matter? I just bought a new axe and am going to set it up tonight. On my other guitars, the saddles are set uniform. Not on my new guitar. Does it matter? FWIW, I see plenty of guitars with some 'up and some 'down'.

    Cheers in advance!
     
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    If there's room for them to all face one way and intonate correctly, have at it... Otherwise, I don't think it's absolutely critical.
     
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    Thanks for the reply, Brian!
     
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    It doesn't matter which way around they're facing.

    Orient them whatever way around you need to get the guitar to intonate properly.
     
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    Thanks, already intonated! :dude:
     
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    Yeah you only need to turn em around if you need that extra bit of adjustment to get proper intonation.
    And what did ya get?
     
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    Yamaha Revstar RS320
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    Make sure to deck that tailpiece....not enough break angle, your sustain and toanez will suffer.:shock:
     
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    Looks like an SG-2000 ...... Junior :D

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    I think it looks a little closer to the Yamaha Super Flighter
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    Ah, yes... with the offset..

    I had not seen these before, but yes, they do look more similar.

    I was also trying to crack a Gibson custom to junior joke...oh, well...

    BTW, technically the TOM thinking was all about sustain and maximizing string vibration so the flat side of the saddles would face the string to reflect the string's energy back toward the neck. Like a rope over a brick wall, minimal absorption.

    The wedge side would face the tailpiece to accommodate the downward angle of the strings, and the wedge reduced the cross section width that the string rested on, again to lower absorption interference.

    Here again, it looked good on paper to the engineers, but are you really going to hear or notice a difference?

    Not likely.

    FWIW, you asked....
     
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    Thanks for the reply. I doubt I can hear much of a difference....unless I talk myself into it. The guitar itself has been a lot of fun. I gigged it last Saturday and it served me well. Nice and lightweight, a joy to have better upper fret access. Ceramic pups are a little rough to my ears. I have a neck replacement and a Vineham Whiskey Sour for the bridge on the way.
     
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    I haven't owned a ton of guitars but it always seemed to me that plank guitars like this would need pickups geared to work with it.

    It doesn't seem to me that a mfg could just stick the same set of pickups in all guitars regardless of construction and have them all sound good..

    Then again I don't know the year but they could have been aimed at the loud and proud crowd....

    Toanez? We don't need no stinkin' toanez!
     
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    I don't know the science behind it. I'm more apt to believe the pups are largely to account for electrical guitar toanz. I'm hearing great things about the Whiskey Sour and I trust Craig's opinion. Hopefully it gives me what I'm looking for.
     
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