Tube amps are on borrowed time

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  1. KenG

    KenG Senior Member

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    It's doubtfull you ever will. It's way too high tech to be built at home unless someone approaches the HW like a PC which would end up being as cumbersome as a PC.
    A person with little to no electrical training can build a tube amp, given proper set by step instructions and a few simple hand tools.

    I think the death-knell for tubes will be environmental or labor related most likely. There's some nasty bi-products that contaminated the site at the old RCA plant in the USA and clean up was not cheap. Evironmentalists in the 1st World aren't liekly to ever let a plant like that be built again.
    Tube manufacture is still very hands-on and automation is limited. Maybe someday robotics could take it over but that would only be attempted I think if the market share was high enough and to be honest it probably won't get any higher than it is now. It may not reduce as quickly as some are predicting either though.
    SO if you look at where tubes are currently manufactured (only two manufacturing sites really with a lot of rebranding and some build variations for spec) and you'll see they are being built in places where environmental laws are lax to non-existent and labor is cheap. WHen this changes folks will either have to poney up for the cost increases or watch them get discontinued.
     
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    I don't know if mid 50s makes me older, but I switched to Kemper and Axe.
     
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    Spoken like someone who obviously has not really heard current tech, let alone tried it.
     
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    I would disagree. I didn't switch to digital UNTIL it could match everything tonally, feel, and response of my tube amps. The consistency of tone, myriad and plethora of amps and fx wasn't enough by itself. AND, I think we have only recently, last few to 5 years hit that point in the tech. NOW, imho, the clock has started ticking.
     
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    Well she can (It's all in the nipples)

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    Actually 3 locations, Russia, China and where JJs are made (Slovakia).
     
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    Okay,so,its a little heavy handed....I just couldnt help myself :laugh2:



     
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    Last practice I tried a Katana out. The sound itself was great. However, we play REALLY loud. It was plenty loud, but noisy as hell when I wasn't playing. We couldn't hear each other over the hiss. Maybe I had the pre-volume up too much? I don't know. Still not there yet for me in a live setting. I did like the tone. But the hiss was unbearable.
     
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    The second guitarist in my band has a Two Rock amp with some rack gear and a HUGE pedal board. Same thing. As soon as the song is over, we can hardly hear over the noise of his rig. Maybe the Katana was modeling his set up.:dunno:Just kidding. You might have had a 50w Katana. I don't get that much noise from my 100w, but I don't use it with the band so I have no context in that situation.
     
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    Times.... they are a changing rapidly... Case in point. I didn't start this thread.
     
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    It was a 100w one. The grounding here in Japan can be sketchy. My pedals have an independent battery too.
     
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    Do you have noise with a tube or SS amp?
     
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    The good news is, we don't have to stress over it now or anytime soon.
    Consider ourselves lucky to live in THE moment of the best choices and enjoy the day!
     
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    Heck, even we are on borrowed time.

    I loooove my tube amps. But I have mad respect for the New technology
     
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    I get a bit of hiss with both the Marshall JMP and JCM800, but not nearly as much as this had. I used to use a Roland Jazz Chorus a long time ago in the same room and outlet, and it was fairly quiet.
     
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    I find this fascinating. If anything, I would have believed the opposite to be true-that tube and SS amps would be prone to more noise. Would a power conditioner help?
     
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    Maybe. I think the building I practice in has crappy power. Maybe this Katana was just not right? Seemed new. I rent time at a practice pad here, and their power is all using adapters at the plugs because none of the outlets here in Japan are 3 pronged. Dangerous too. Again, good sounding amp, just not for what I do. Maybe I had the pre-volume up too high maybe. It was just so bad I had to turn it to standby to even talk to my band on the mic.
     
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    Modellers are at the point where they sound as good as a tube amps (perhaps they don't sound exactly the same, but there are enough out there who think so for me to comfortably say "as good"). And with the higher end stuff, you really can get so close that it's tough to tell them apart in a high-quality listening environment. As the tech continues to develop, the prices will come down and the features will go up. It's gonna be a no-brainer.
     
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    I don't have the 100w combo, but I have the head.
    I've experienced some pretty loud hissing too.
    It does have an internal noise gate though, just in case you weren't aware.
    If you haven't already, you should check out the Tone Studio software.
    You can turn the noise gate on, and dive quite a bit deeper into the effects parameters.
     
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    Thanks, that might help. Next time I have to borrow it, I'll try it out.
     
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