To Catch A Counterfeiter.....

Discussion in 'Epiphone Les Pauls' started by eBay-ate-my-hampster, Aug 8, 2008.

  1. eBay-ate-my-hampster

    eBay-ate-my-hampster Member

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    I've been watching thse auctions for a while now and its sick that these dudes prey on people that either dont know there Epi's or are just kids starting out. I dont know about you guys but any auction that starts "Brand New Epiphone...." i get suspicious in a heartbeat.

    So i have a plan.

    Why dont we all club together £10 ($20) into someones paypal account. Buy a replica from a seller who at present is doing well, has good feedback, but we are convinced he is flogging fakes.

    Lets say this guy

    eBay Seller: bill qd: Musical Instruments items on eBay.co.uk

    Lets get the guitar sent to someone who knows what they are doing, personally i think it should be Sinmastah, who can strip the guitar to decide whever of not its genuine.

    I've seen a few companies do this, TAG Heuer, ADIDAS even Colgate toothpaste did the same thing.

    For me, i think Epiphone dont give a shit, Gibson do.

    So lets make this happen, get the guitar, take the evidence direct to someone with proof of tracking, sales invoice and emails.

    I think this could work and maybe, if the word got out to these dickheads selling them - they might stop?

    Just a thought
     
  2. stef

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    A friend of mine just bought a ultra which is probably fake.. he would do just that (take the seller to court) but it would be a nightmare.
    more hassle than the guitar is worth...
    we even have the name and address of the guy, so i'd rather go and beat the crap out of him (if he didnt live 1200km from me.)
     
  3. eBay-ate-my-hampster

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    Put with the pictures and evidence, it will stop him selling for sure
     
  4. stef

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    why ?
    do you think the guy doesnt know he is selling fakes ?
    why should he care ?
     
  5. eBay-ate-my-hampster

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    Im sure if you had proof its a fake, proof where you got it from and proof of who sold it... Who has 100% feedback, eBay would be interested.

    There use to be a big market in fake adidas until adidas and people like us brought it to their attention
     
  6. BCRGreg

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    Gibson knows it's going on, and they have not stopped it.

    So just worry about something else.
     
  7. BCRGreg

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    The dreaded double post monster got me!


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  8. myinstrument

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    if we shut these guys down we would have to find real topics to post threads about......... think mcfly, think
     
  9. eBay-ate-my-hampster

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    Yea lol what would we do with our days?!!
     
  10. Sinmastah

    Sinmastah Epi Verification Expert V.I.P. Member

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    More imprtantly what would I do with my days, ahhh. Anyways, this is an interesting idea, I guess I'm not against it. Take detailed photos of everything, send them to Gibson, get the address from where it shipped from, report that to the FBI and Gibson as well. Then ask for a full refund and we do it again? Interesting.
     
  11. stef

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    And what proves your "proof" is a real proof ?
    -the "how to spot a fake epiphone thread "?? :rolleyes:
    -the gibson email : "- oh yeah mister, this could well possibly be a fake, everything indicates it couple possibly have originated from a counterfeit dealer, maybe. i think. "

    unless it's gone to a court of law, ebay will laugh at you.
     
  12. Sinmastah

    Sinmastah Epi Verification Expert V.I.P. Member

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    Gibson will take care of it. They are doing just a fine job when to comes to everything except for eBay. They've been teaming up with the american Government, who teams up with other countries to close down places that were trading fake guitars. I'll see if I can find the link.
     
  13. eBay-ate-my-hampster

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    Its easy to proove the guitar you got from him
    1, ask him for a tracker
    2, when the package comes take a pic
    3, take a picture of the shippig label which will have the tracker
    4, picture if in the box

    Its so easy, i say we do it
     
  14. Sinmastah

    Sinmastah Epi Verification Expert V.I.P. Member

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    I'm not against it by any means. Although if you were going to want me to do it, you will have to wait about 2 weeks, as I am moving to college.
     
  15. eBay-ate-my-hampster

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    lets do it

    $20 each

    or $10 each and just get more people in on it.

    Whats your paypal and i'll put in my $20 share right now
     
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    Sinmastah Epi Verification Expert V.I.P. Member

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    Lets wait on this first. Discuss it. Right now we don't even know if everyone wants to do it yet. Then we still need to agree on who it gets shipped to.
     
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    Also we need to talk to Flick or Alex about this, this is there forum and I don't want to give it negative publicity or anything at all. Also the fact that someone on the forum is going to buy a counterfeit guitar, knowing full well it is fake is illegal. Also they ship it to my room, they know where I live, if something happens, well you know.
     
  18. stef

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    As i said, i already have all this on an ultra..
    pictures of the guitare, address of the seller, pictures of the bar code... and so what ?
    even the ebay listing pictures clearly show it's fake !!!
    you dont need to buy anything to "proove" it's fake goods.

    what "extra service" do you provide by compiling a file of info about it ???

    My friend even started a dispute on paypal to get his money back..ebay's answer ? : ship the guitar back.


    Gibson/epiphone and ebay could spot the fakes themselves in 2 mins flat if they cared that much about it !
    i am telling you. it's a matter that needs to be addressed in a court of law.

    A pessimist is an optimist with experience.
     
  19. Sinmastah

    Sinmastah Epi Verification Expert V.I.P. Member

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    Is the eBay seller selling more fakes or just that one?

    Also by doing this we maybe take down on eBay seller. Theres still plenty more. I honestly don't see this helping much. But if you guys want me to do it, I might as well.
     
  20. eBay-ate-my-hampster

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    I like that! :dude:
     

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