This is Sparta!

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  1. poro78

    poro78 Noble savage Premium Member

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    Ok, finally I have enough courage to start a build thread... The chunks of wood and hand-tools are no longer scaring the crap out of me and I'm out of excuses, so here we go.

    The plan is to build left-handed Sg(ish) guitar the hard way - with hand-tools. The main reason for this is that usually I'm able to work when my daughter is sleeping.
    It is also Barnaby's fault, because he's been showing us how to build amazing guitars without electric tools. I had thought about this many times, but didn't have enough faith to start, until I saw his threads.
    And of course this is a great project to refresh the distant memories of woodworking.

    So... Some hand-tools, wood, hardware, SG plans and practically no woodworking skills, this is going to be great (in a masochistic way).

    Hmm... what else?
    The body and neck are Khaya mahogany, fingerboard is East-Indian rosewood (pre-slotted, 22 frets), two humbuckers, tune-o-matic bridge.
    I'm still working on details like headstock shape (traditional or other?), inlays, controls, scratchplate (or not, more likely not), color/finishing and so on.
    I'll be altering the plans if (...If? When!) I screw up :D

    I had some problems with body blanks, the other was a bit warped and my planing skills were bit...umm...rusty... So, I planed and planed and measured and the blanks were just getting smaller and smaller :D
    And that was where I decided to make an SG instead of LP :D

    The two body blanks are now glued together, but I'm bit concerned. The joint might be too sloppy work, maybe I have to separate the blanks and plane and sand the joint some more. We'll see.

    Hmm.. threads like this need pictures. Have to take some soon.
     
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    Barnaby Premium Member

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    Priceless !!!:thumb:

    I wonder if this has not happened to all of us in the early stages... :hmm: It sure happened to me !

    Anyway, that's the spirit ! Will follow this thread with a lot of interest.:dude:
     
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  4. poro78

    poro78 Noble savage Premium Member

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    Hmmm, let's see if I can link some pictures here.


    The blanks before I started ruining them...

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    And some random parts...


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  5. Knarbens

    Knarbens Senior Member

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    I'm in! Good luck and protection with this project!

    I'd say as soon as one goes with a selfmade guitar it's great to bring in some own ideas. That said, I vote for an own headstock shape or other unique elements that sets your work apart. Once you've started your progress you'll find what you like best. Also you could check my page frankmontag.com to find out what you like.

    Is Khaya the same as African Mahogany?

    What are the tuners? Like them!
    Looks like open back butterbeans, but with rounded buttons on them?
     
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    poro78 Noble savage Premium Member

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    Thanks! I'm going to need lots of luck with this project. :D

    Khaya is the same as African Mahogany, I guess.

    Package says that the tuners are Grover's V98N tuners.
    Here's a better picture from the seller:
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    Knarbens Senior Member

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    Thanks! Wow, they sell for EUR 29,90 here in Germany.
    I'm going to remember these ...
     
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  8. Barnaby

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    Holy crap!

    I have one too!!! :shock:

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    OK, it's my wife's, but I use it every day now because I miss her while she's away.

    Note to all potential handtool builders - a Snoopy mug is now essential!
     
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  11. poro78

    poro78 Noble savage Premium Member

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    Agreed. :D

    Ok, one more picture. This is webcam quality shot of my inlay material, couldn't take good picture without flash and with flash the sheet was too bright. Name for this sheet was "Gold Tint Paua Shell" if you want to search better picture of it.

    Those rectangular inlays in the earlier picture are just for backup. :D

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    Wow that looks like a bubbly pot of caramel.

    Tasty!
     
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly8eFrWXZC8]Sparta - Breaking The Broken [live] - YouTube[/ame]

    This is Sparta.

    I'm in :thumb:
     
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    I am in love with your red and abalone/tortoise shell looking biding and your peizio bridge sir. I am seriously excited to see how this one turns out and when it is finished, I DEMAND sound samples!!!
    Im in!:thumb:
     
  16. poro78

    poro78 Noble savage Premium Member

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    Sorry to disappoint you, but that's not piezo bridge. It's just a bad camera angle and poor placement of those wires making it look like they are connected. Just normal boring ABR-1 Tune-o-matic there.
     
  17. poro78

    poro78 Noble savage Premium Member

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    Ok, my desk in those earlier pictures was too tidy, I prefer some chaos. Here's the same desk today.

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    And here's what I've been doing today:

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    Apparently Barnaby was right, cutting the body with a coping saw takes some time.
    Anyway, power tools are for wimps. :naughty:
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  18. poro78

    poro78 Noble savage Premium Member

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    Well, this is not really an update on my project, but some pictures from my father-in-law's workshop. I told in some thread (probably Barnaby's third build, don't remember) that my father-in-law is a luthier. He's been building violins and cellos over 30 years. He retired couple years ago, meaning that he quit repairing instruments (which was the main income) and is building only as a "hobby".

    So, we packed our little family into our car and went up north (650km) to Oulu to have a little vacation.
    Here's some pictures of my father-in-laws workshop:

    His tool corner and wood shelf... He has some fine flame maple there.
    Only top quality there. All blanks handpicked by the master himself, he took a trip to Cremona to get them years ago.

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    Cello under construction:
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    Here's some planes for Barnaby:
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    Those planes are really, really small... here's is the smallest of them:
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    As you can see, he uses almost only hand-tools. He has 3 powered machines at his workshop. Two for sharpening and a small bandsaw (? The red one in the pictures). He said he could use power tools, but he wants to do this the traditional way. There's no point hurrying. :)

    The most important tip he gave to me: Patience. Building is easy when you take your time. :D
    And of course: sharp tools are mandatory! You can only imagine how sharp all his tools were :wow:
     
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  19. Barnaby

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    That plane collection is [​IMG]...and there is a nice bowsaw too!

    Good work on the coping saw. I remember the blisters well before I turned to my own bowsaw - but it is very satisfying to finish the cut with a coping saw. One really feels like something special has been earned. :applause:
     
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    poro78 Noble savage Premium Member

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    That collection is indeed something.
    There's also 3 planes hidden near that cello top, the big wooden one (you can see the handle) for rough work, small block plane (the black one) and a Lie-Nielsen scraping plane (bronze body). And of course he has lots of different scrapers and couple of spokeshaves and all kinds of rasps and files. And saws...and... and... and... :hyper:

    If I only could, I would move there instantly and start studying the art from the master.

    Actually the coping saw was rather mercyful, maybe I did something wrong? :D
     
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