This 1952 Les Paul Original?

Discussion in 'Vintage Les Pauls' started by Roberto Saenz, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. Roberto Saenz

    Roberto Saenz Junior Member

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    Hello, this is my first post (sorry for my english, I am from Spain).

    I am interested in this guitar in Barcelona but many things I think are not original and may be the guitar is not Gibson original or I think it is a conversion?

    This is link of the guitar with the pictures, sorry I dont now how to put the pics here:
    https://www.guitarristas.info/anuncios/gibson-les-paul-gold-top-1952/688902

    I will very much appreciate your help, thank you very much! :)

    I think I can put the picture:
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  2. Sharky

    Sharky Senior Member

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    if it's an original 52, it's of course a conversion, no humbuckers back then, no sunburst either. The offset 2 piece top could have very well be found under the gold finish

    ABR-1 bridge looks shaved down, maybe due to shallow neck angle of the 52s.

    tuners are later repros, not even the good ones from the Custom Shop guitars

    Fretboard inlays look too new, but this could be in the picture only

    Wait til @Jumping@shadows sees the pictures. If he doesn't know, nobody will
     
  3. Mockbel

    Mockbel Senior Member

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    I cant understand the description to figure the mods but I believe Sharky listed many... i am interested to know what this thread will end to :)

    Welcome to MLP Roberto
     
  4. Roberto Saenz

    Roberto Saenz Junior Member

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    hello sharky, thank you. is very difficult to see with the pictures only I understand

    I think the inlays is very new and the top is no 2 pieces is 3 pieces. I never see 3 pieces? (only 2, one small and one big below the goldtop colour). An I never see quilt, always flame maple?

    The volume and tone buttons also incorrect?

    The place of the volute correct? I see pictures of original 52 more like a triangle?

    Thank you :)
     
  5. Roberto Saenz

    Roberto Saenz Junior Member

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    Hello Mockbel :)

    The seller only say the mods:
    - Refinish (obviously)
    - No original pickups
    - Bigsby
    - Tuners

    He says in the ad that everything else is original. I think that probably he do not have experience enough for some things, like no Les Paul Model on headstock? and the Logo with the letter i in Gibson is incorrect? And the pickguard have to be for P90 no humbuker?

    I now is a lot of modifications, but Im afraid if the guitar is no original Gibson or vintage 52...

    Thank you :)
     
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    Control cavity shot showing all of the the bass-side wall will tell
     
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  7. Sharky

    Sharky Senior Member

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    yes, knobs are wrong, would originally sport a set of honey speedknobs.

    If you mean the back of the peghead with volute, even though if I also thought it looks strange, it seems to be correct, logo correct as well as long as this one here at Fretted Americana is original (which I would think) https://www.gbase.com/gear/gibson-l...1953-gibson-ga-30-combo-amplifi-1952-gold-top

    The Les Paul Model silkscreen may have been polished off over the years. But cavity shots are mandatory for the experts to see more details
     
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    Also appears to have stop tail holes drilled and refilled.
     
  9. tigger

    tigger Senior Member

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    I've seen three piece tops under gold top. IMHO the guitar is relatively reasonably priced for a player grade early LP in Europe, but I would not buy it unless I thought it was a truly exceptional guitar to play. Was the neck reset? If yes, that could mean the headstock angle is higher as on older LPs which could be a good thing for playability.
     
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    3 pc top. That's common.

    Is the body 2 pc? in one of the back shots it looks like a pretty straight line down the middle.

    The back of the neck shot is pretty fuzzy. Make sure it hasn't had a headstock repair.

    I wouldn't bet on any of the hardware being original. Refin, converted, non original hardware. Just about everything that can reduce the value of it.
     
  11. Thermionik

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    Love to play her...

    ...just to feel how she played.

    On looks alone, hard to say - but if she felt good, could be a good buy.

    I guess many are now in "watch this space" mode :cool2:
     
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  12. Roberto Saenz

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    thank you everyone for the info! yes, it looks like 2 piece back. I live like 12 hour drive from the guitar so can only see the pics... OI would love to see it in person and play but very difficult.

    sharky, you think the logo is correct? but the i letter is no touch the G of Gibson? and the "Les Paul model" can be rub off? I think it looks very black and new, not crackle like very old guitars.

    I still can not say if it is original from pics. I agree that may be it is original but only the wood, nothing else! I wish I could play, because the price is great. One thing I dont know if it happens in the USA, but here a lot of scams and false guitars... even vintage, believe it or not. there are a lot of reproductions that look good in pics but when you grab the guitar... my god... fools you on pics but not in person! (thank god, he he)

    You guys now a lot about les pauls, thank you very very much!!
     
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    Looks like a very cool guitar! It does not look like a two piece back to me. Yes, there's a distinct grain line running north to south, but it's at an angle, especially up toward the neck, and from a distance that grain line looks like a seam between two pieces of wood...but I don't believe it is. And the logo looks fine to me. The i isn't supposed to be touching the G during this time period. And I agree with Sharky's post above with all of his points.


    Frank
     
  14. RobbieKing

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    Too many things wrong with this guitar..wrong tuning machines,lifeguard has been modded,should be p90's, top is also that of an early goldtop..this is all just for starters.
     
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    Pick guard! Modded
     
  16. Peterstrings

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    No Bigsby, Stop Tailpiece and ABR bridge back then, must be a trapezium Bridge/talpiece

    Truss cover is later type (80ties?)

    As mentioned, the first Humbuckers appear in 1957

    Wrong tuners, not even screwed on

    Knobs 60ties type, should be speed knobs

    Pick guard looks not shaved (P90’s place), wrong screw type

    One-piece mahogany neck should be fat and thick profile, D shape

    No toggle switch ring in those days

    The caps should be brown/gray

    Too much wrong imo, if it is a conversion, then it’s a later date LP
    LP 1952
    LP 1952-1.jpg LP 1952-2.jpg
     
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  17. tigger

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    Wait, what's wrong with the neck? What makes you say it is a later guitar?
     
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    Cooooooooooooooooool!
     
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    Should be a D shape
     
  20. dodona

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    this is a very fake 1952 LP.
     

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