Thinking of aging my R7

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  1. Encrypted

    Encrypted Senior Member

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    So I have an R7 that basically mint and i'm always scared to played for the sake of getting beat up. So I'm thinking of aging/relicing it so it can already be beat up, makes sense, no? :thumb:

    Now, its already a vos model, no the hardware is already decently faded.
    However, the previous owned had polished the guitar to take the sticky vos finish off.

    So I want to have buckle rash, so the point where so of the paint has come off on the backs top. In addition some arm rash, where your arm touches the body. of course, i kinda want to give it that vos type finish back, and of course the chipping around the headstock. Dings and scratches are fairly easy, the fender custom shop simply uses a bunch of keys on the guitar, and that looks pretty authentic. As for checking, i don't really like how it looks, especially on goldtops, but i probably will like to have some, just for a more natural look.

    Now i know most of you will probably say, "just play it hard" or "use it more often", but I don't really do live shows or gigs, I'm just a bed room player.


    What are the best methods for this type of stuff?

    Thanks.
     
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  2. Jeremiah

    Jeremiah The Worst Premium Member

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    1: I want a guitar that looks as if it has been ridden hard and put away wet through years of use.
    2: I want a guitar that has play wear that looks remotely normal for a well cared for guitar.

    Pick one.
     
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  3. Encrypted

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    #1.
     
  4. Axeman16

    Axeman16 V.I.P. Member

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    jesus, you want to age your guitar so you dont have to baby it?? why not skip the aging process and play it. put a belt on, play your guitar.

    whats the point of making a guitar look like you played it a sh*t ton when you actually havent?

    your better off selling it and buying an aged on if thats what you want. all you will do by relicing it is ruin the value of what a mint r7 is worth.
     
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  5. TheX

    TheX Voice of Reason

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    Best advice ever.
     
  6. Encrypted

    Encrypted Senior Member

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    I play everyday, actually.

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  7. JohanHaellgren

    JohanHaellgren Senior Member

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    And off we go again!

    OP: Gibsons lacquer is unfortunately very hard to check naturally. You will have to refinish it in a Nitro without all the crappy plastic containments. Put a buckle on, shove your shirt in the pants (or play without one, for extra rock N roll poins), and play away. Depending on how hard you rock out, it might take a while for the buckle rash to show up, but it will also give you control over the process. The VOS look is pretty easy, take a look at how Badly Drawn Les does it (On his 02' to 59 conversion). Good luck, and keep us updated!
     
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  8. TheX

    TheX Voice of Reason

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    Problem solved.



    Next!
     
  9. Encrypted

    Encrypted Senior Member

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    Great reference! Thank you!
    I think i'm going blind for not seeing that post.
     
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  10. blackat

    blackat V.I.P. Member

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    I've done it to guitars. Good luck.

    Sometimes you don't have enough time left in your life to do a proper aging, I could die next year....
     
  11. TheX

    TheX Voice of Reason

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    Proper aging is MUCH harder than a proper refinish. Do it wrong, and the guitar looks like crap.
     
  12. Jeremiah

    Jeremiah The Worst Premium Member

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    Not to sound like a broken record but all these "aged" guitars astound me. The only way a guitar could get like that is if it was never wiped down and went all over the world in the backs of vans and airplanes in freezing cold temperatures.

    There are examples all over the place of mint condition guitars 50 years and over that were well cared for. They're like Prince, stay out of the sun, or at 57 years old, look as good, you will not...
     
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    TheX Voice of Reason

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    Here's my all original '58. Played constantly.

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  14. Axeman16

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    for contrast heres a shot of the back of my 02 les paul, got her in 06 and she was minty. the great thing about it is when the guitar was new it looked new, and now that its been played hard for 10 years it looks like it was played hard for 10 years!

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  15. El Kabong

    El Kabong Senior Member

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    You can probably ignore all the posts from people telling YOU what to do with YOUR guitar so that you can be exactly like THEM... if they don't get where you are coming from they probably shouldn't have responded in the first place. In other words... its your guitar, not theirs, and you can do whatever you want with it.

    I happen to think an aged guitar looks awesome and while its true that you can 'just play it' and hope for it to naturally achieve some of that awesomeness... in many, if not most, cases it ain't gonna happen. I take extremely good care of my guitars... I don't leave them outside (so they don't rust or check), I don't wear giant belt buckles (so there is absolutely no buckle rash), I don't smoke (so there are no ashburns or yellowing), I cover it when I solder or work on it (so there's no solder splatter or screwdriver scratches), I use the proper size tools (so the threads aren't all stripped)... I can go on and on, but the point is, while I certainly don't baby my guitars, I play them hard and put them away wet, in the 45+ years I've been playing, with the exception of a few minor dings here and there, my guitars are relatively pristine. My amps, cars, tools, scuba gear, house etc. are pretty much the same... I just take good care of my stuff.

    I don't really care if they have been artificially aged, but I think my aged Goldie, Beast, Shanks, Sandy, Redeye, Allman, Pagey, etc. are some of the coolest guitars I have ever seen or played... people that don't like them don't have to buy them and don't have to like them, but anyone saying they are not cool really has no concept of what cool means... at least what it means to me, which is frankly all I really care about when I am spending MY money on a guitar.

    With that said, proper aging is an artform and if you think you can just do it to a guitar and have it look as good as those done by 'artists' then you are probably in for some disappointment. It took these guys years of trial and error to achieve the results they have, and if you want to go it yourself, be prepared for it NOT looking like you hope and then having a really crappy looking guitar that, most likely, no one else will want either.

    So my advice would be to either sell it and get one that ticks off all your checkboxes, or send it to someone that knows what they are doing. An R7 is a really fine guitar and anything less would be undeserving... IMHO. :cheers:
     
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  16. badly drawn les

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    First up, that's an expensive guitar to practice relicing on. I did my first relic job on a Squier & I learnt loads. Maybe get a cheap Epi/Tokai to try on first.
    Second, if you want checking you will need to strip down & re-fin with proper nitro, Gibson lacquer is full of plasticisers & very tough to get checking. Some people have managed it but I couldn't. Here's my attempt.http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/cus...rst-re-fin-make-over-project.html#post6638244
     
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  17. Mr. Satchmo

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    If you want it done right, send it to historic makeovers
     
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  18. Big John

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    Just ask yourself what causes all these things to happen in real life. It's really that simple.

    What causes belt buckle rash? What do guitarist wear on their arms/wrists/fingers at major concerts that promotes arm and edge wear? If a drunk roadie takes your guitar backstage to change strings, what can the guitar bump into along the way? While it's on the bench, do you think the roadie clears the bench of tools and beer before he starts? If the guitar is left in it's case in the gear trailer overnight at a Fargo, ND gig in January, what happens to the finish after the guitar warms up?...and what if the Fargo gig was a two-nighter?

    Sit down, put two and two together, and you'll figure this out. :thumb:
     
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    I want a girl with a short skirt.... and a long jacket... :cool:
     
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  20. Jeremiah

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    Lol
     
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