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Discussion in 'Vintage Les Pauls' started by eric ernest, Jun 20, 2018.
Why not call it Heiner, the Weiner? So catchy.
Thanks for posting Eric........a great looking LP with a good story....wunderbar
I would love it if some of you guys in Europe could scare up some additional photos from 1975-1976. They just don't exist on this side of the pond.
All of those 45's I posted I bought on eBay out of Germany.
Cool guitar Eric. It's unfortunate that it was tough to get it right. I would have contacted a certain person in Washington State.
Here’s a screen capture of a copy of the ‘58 ledgers I was able to get illustrating the incorrect serial number.
8 1534 is a lap steel.
I also made another determination recently about the multiple use of walnut pore filler on this guitar that I will share when time permits.
this thread helps explain what's going on i think (for people new to this guitar):
Calling out Detlef @ Guitarpoint in Frankfurt am Main
Did you try to get in contact with Alex?
I haven't seen him for years...but I remember he tried to sell a 52 goldtop in Frankfurt some years ago, when the BurstBrothers showed the Peter Weihe Burst at Musikmesse Frankfurt. Maybe 2009.
PS: they have a Facebook page:
"Sexy Hexy" is a German paraphrase for a very beautiful girl, so it fits this guitar a 100%!
Thanks for sharing!
Wow -- read that "Calling out Detlef" thread, and 8 hours later, back into this one... the history of that guitar sure is a bone of contention, which is too bad because as someone who loves making, restoring, and playing guitars, and who loves a beautiful instrument -- and who really hates collecting! -- it's pretty neat to see (business aside) this instrument gradually take better and better shape. From my stand point, that's all to the good, and in its current condition the instrument speaks for itself. As to the business dealings and internet combat, well, that's a freak show all right and people expose themselves for who they are. I've been on many forums, including "the other" Les Paul forum, and people gravitate to where they feel best. I found the other forum boring and elitist, and hardly ever go there anymore. I love this one because you have guys like A Randall, Freddy, and B Howard among others who share priceless information about how to get things done; Kris Ford weighs in all the time to help identify instruments, and 20-30 other regulars have really interesting, helpful opinions, from expert to just common sense. And we have excellent mods who give leeway but not license. I appreciate being cautioned on those occasions, now rare, when I get wound up, but I like being able to hear what others really think. Back to the OP on this new thread: that's a nice guitar! I don't think there's any instrument I love more than one that's been played and played, through the wringer, and still beautiful. Lots more appealing to me than a minty one in a vault -- guitar prison --somewhere.
Thanks for the kind words and thoughtful post.
I find it curious that people will pay considerably more for a new guitar with fake aging.....yet many insist on greatly devaluing vintage guitars that have wear.
Wear is GOOD on a new guitar, but wear is BAD on an old one. Something is wrong in this equation.
Does the notation to the right indicate where/who the instruments were shipped to?
Just wondering if that's how they (Gibson)tried to keep track of what was shipped where.
Yes, you are correct.
Must of been a good sized shop/store to get 16 instruments(Lap steels) in 1 shipment?
Even music instructors could get a Gibson dealership back them. Whatever the case, they were probably heavily involved in lessons.
So it wasn't a goldtop after all ?
ok just when i thought i knew what time it was i realize i'm totally lost lol
There was some speculation that the guitar might have possibly been a Goldtop before the numerous burst refinishes.
yeah no i got that, because of the brown pore filler in the output jack cavity, right? if it was a sunburst you'd just have the red aniline dye. So where did this new revelation come from, the shipping records? if so can someone guide my hand like a kindergartner because that's what i feel is necessary lol?
Absolutely. It' s a pretty big deal establishing that the serial number is absolutely 100% incorrect.
Also, after giving it considerable thought, the guitar did most likely get the brown pore filler twice...pre-1976 and 1979'ish, that cant be discounted.
I might not have figured that out had Historic Makeovers not used brown pore filler themselves.