The Peak of Historic Popularity

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  1. jenton70

    jenton70 Premium Member

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    I still enjoy my visits to the post-apocalyptic world of the Historics & Reissues section of MLP.

    I've been thinking about it. Were 2013 & 2014 the peak? We saw the very popular changes happen to the historic line. We watched as every day brought multiple NGD posts. We marveled at the cottage industries of makeovers and wiring harnesses to move even further toward the goal of vintage greatness without a mortgage.

    Somewhere in our fervor a bomb went off. Was it the TH line? Was it the short tenon? Was it the multitude of dirty lemon finished CC guitars? Rumors of Gibson's discontinuation of the line? Enthusiasm turned to disgust and dismay as posts got fewer and far less positive from even the most storied members here.

    So will we ever see the uptick? Or are we doomed to wander this purgatory?
     

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  2. MonsterTop

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    Long-term down trend. Unlikely to recover unless more young players pick up the instrument.

    I would guess the vast majority of Historics are sold to people aged 40+.
     
  3. Thumpalumpacus

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    Seems like y'all have some nice guitars to play ... there's that.
     
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    The prices and the constant change of specs....it got old. And the changes aren’t enough to get me to buy another one anyways. I don’t care if the plastics are the right shade of cream. It’s not a Burst. It will never be a burst. I wanted the best guitar I could find. I added the best pickups I could find outside of vintage PAFs.

    That’s pretty much it.
     
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    Oh and despite what the threads on TGP say, my experience has been that the USA line has narrowed the gap in terms of quality.

    Sure the historics have nicer tops or a more correct finish, but the QA and the tone has made diminishing returns even smaller (for me). I have two 2017 USA gibbies and they are fantastic.

    Ymmv
     
  6. jenton70

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    Truth!
     
  7. RAG7890

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    .........a lot of us are jaded IMHO.

    :cheers2:
     
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    rich85 Senior Member

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    2013 basically when the pickups were better and R8 models with monster tops. The other changes like the glue etc just made them as close as 99% of buyers wanted

    Instead of futher tweaks, like usual, they went off the rails

    So those 2 main factors combined plus being bombarded with identical CC models and stupid pricing most people seem to have lost interest

    I really dont think things would have dropped off like they have if they had kept on the same path.

    Its not hard to come up with more changes to keep buyers interested, there just arnt any. If in 2015 they introduced mild, regular and hot custombuckers and a better top carve, people would have bought up. Instead they gave us 2 rediculous spec levels.
     
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    No doubt. I did leave for a while as I just lost interest. It did give me some time to actually play my guitars. Which was nice.
     
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    For a number of years I checked out every one I could get my hands on, & bought a few. I've got 2 of em now.
    I lost interest some where in 2013, maybe from the hype, maybe cause the ones I did check out were no better for me than the ones I had.
    Gotta stop looking at some point, & just be content.
     
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    mfolet says "never!"
     
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    For me, personally, i was trending away from them, but always needed that last push to get over the “Historic hump.” Gibson gave me that bump with the True Historic line.
     
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    Change, lack of change, and price.
    They changed the specs and designations that confused even the most avid buyers....me included. Long tenon, short tenon, TH, non TH short tenon.....I STILL don't know WTF is what.

    Lack of change and price. I remember Pearly, Sandy, Goldie.....all MAPing around 7k. It was new and exciting stuff. A chance to purchase something at least based on the bursts you could relate to from books and recordings. Different colors, carves, pickups. Then, prices crept up and up, combined with "oh wow...ANOTHER dirty lemon". Prices crept up so that even bulk buyers like me got scared off, and excitement gave way to sticker shock and repetition.
     
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    I'm down to one excellent 2014 bourbon burst R8 with a inappropriately nice top and unicorn neck (.87-.94, soft V).

    I'm pretty sure I'm done hunting and buying.
     
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    I suppose there is the one in a 100,000 odds of finding a truly exceptional guitar, so no harm in
    continuing the search, for them that have the time, the means & the patience to keep looking.
    There's gotta be one or 2 out there somewhere that are "good enough"
     
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    I kinda lost interest when there was more than ONE Historic model, the two tier offerings was stupid.

    And now there's no clarity
     
  17. VictorB

    VictorB Formerly LZF Super Mod

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    Price goes up

    Interest goes down

    Lol

    Seriously, with their high prices, it was/is more cost effective to buy used and do an HM job on it. Makes way more sense to the “vintage accurate” crowd.

    And less expensive than a True Truer Historic™️
     
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    ...............I'll just have to learn to be happy with this. ;)


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    A surge in the popularity of makeovers and replicas, combined with a strong buyer's market for used historics, undermined the new market just as Gibson's pricing structure was spiraling completely out of control.

    Boom.
     
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