Telecaster Hardware History Question

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  1. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Can anyone pinpoint when Fender changed the jack cup style from the early heavy duty ones to the thin stamped ones?

    So, from this:
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    To this:
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    It's a little thing but also a big gaping hole in my notes that's bugging me because the two styles seem to need different size jack holes. Not for any specific projects or anything just a detail I've not been able to nail down yet. Thanks!
     
  2. chasenblues

    chasenblues Senior Member

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    According to this little blurb 1953,

    "The jack cup on Telecasters changed through the years. Pre-1953 jack cups were milled, and have sharper edges and "teeth" to hold it in the body. Later jack cups are pressed steel and have smoother edges and smooth sides."


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    Found here, http://www.guitarhq.com/fender.html#specs

    In between "Potentiometers" and "Wiring"
     
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  3. efstop

    efstop Senior Member

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    Probably after CBS took over, as a lot of things changed, production-wise. Cheaper bridge and saddles, less curvy bodies, three bolt neck etc. Maybe late '60s-early '70s.

    Never mind. CB's google foo is better than mine :)
     
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  4. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Thanks, man. I want to believe that but that site has a fair amount of false info mixed in with the good so I always take it with a grain of salt. If it IS that early, it should be covered in Nacho's book, which is on the way to me. :)
     
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    chasenblues Senior Member

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    True..Just poking around some sites seem to say late-ish 52 into 53..


    jeepers..:facepalm:

    When did they change from Slot heads screws to "Tone sucking" Philips head screw..:run:




    :laugh2:
     
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  6. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    That would be gradually from 51-54. Much more easily documented since you can see the screws in photos. :thumb:
    http://tele.protozoic.com

    I admit, I prefer slotted screws but only because they are a sign of craftsmanship. One of my dealers hates that I don't send my humbuckers with Philips head mounting screws. It would just be wrong to me, though (for the PAF replicas).
     
  7. chasenblues

    chasenblues Senior Member

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    So what's the "Vintage Correct" thread count for the screws?:hmm:

    Joking..
     
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  8. Phil W

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    One reason I like my AVRI 52 Tele is the slotted head screws. Nice attention to detail.
     
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  9. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Phil, my buddy/colleague has one of those. I was giving him grief about how Fender goes on and on about vintage-accuracy of the instrument but ships it without the dark circuit and blend knob. Then he explained that Fender actually included a second set of controls or mod kit to make it wired as such. My hat's off to Fender for that! They did a nice job all around. That's the guitar that ended up being used for my Tele pickup comparison demos, rather than my own builds. Mainly, because it was something folks would be familiar with and could find on the local shop wall but also a pretty nice blackguard build.

    (they still missed the underhanging neck pocket and nail holes. :naughty:)
     
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    chasenblues Senior Member

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    This?

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    DarrellV Almost 1 Year old this month! Premium Member

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    Sometime right after the war according to my source two guys started a much needed tool and die manufacturing facility and were looking for work.

    Leo had reached a point where he needed massed produced parts as opposed to making them by hand as he had been doing.

    Race and Olmstead continued to supply Fender with stamped metal parts and tooling for many years....

    All I could find is the man's obit, but it confirms he lived and ran it at some point in the past. The obit is from Fullerton, CA.

    Olmsted, Karl A., passed away peacefully on Saturday, March 5, 2011 in Fullerton, California after a brief illness. He was 91. Born in Ohio to Paul and Marie Olmsted, Karl and his family moved to Brea when he was an infant. He attended schools in Brea and graduated from Brea Olinda High School in 1937. He and his partner owned Race and Olmsted Tool and Die in Fullerton.
     
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  12. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Not the router hump but the underhang on the other side of the pocket.
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    There are guys on the snarky Tele site (that I'm banned from) can tell you what's going on with that guitar. My '72 isn't like that.
     
  14. Phil W

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    Well at least you're not bitter ...
     
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    Nope, not bitter at all. I made a joke and it hit some nerves.
    Still, there is wealth of knowledge there.
     
  16. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    FYI - I found an answer I trust. Nacho says late 1952 was the change to the pressed steel style. :cheers2:
     

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