Song writing

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  1. sk8rat

    sk8rat Senior Member

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    the thing about songwriting is, the more time you spend on something, the more you will doubt yourself. even if it's good.
     
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  2. OHIOSTEVE

    OHIOSTEVE Senior Member

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    I'm a little bit broken
    It's a part of who I am
    I've done things in my life
    That even I don't understand
    I'm a little bit broken
    And I'll probably always be
    I know its not the best part
    But the broken is part of me
    I'm a little bit broken
    Every day is a struggle I try to win
    Most days I fight it off
    But some days the broken part gives in
    I'm a little bit broken
    It's such a little part of me
    But the little part thats broken
    Is all that people see
    I'm a little bit broken
    I hurt down deep inside
    The broken has taken parts of me
    The worst has been my pride
    I'm a little bit broken
    And I mean the world no harm
    But I am afraid I will die with the broken part
    And a needle in my arm

    A poem I wrote about my son almost exactly 3 years before he died..... again not good I know but.....
     
  3. OHIOSTEVE

    OHIOSTEVE Senior Member

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    Drunker you get the better I sound.
     
  4. Uncle Remus

    Uncle Remus Silver Supporter

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    Hey, what am I gonna do now
    I knew you'd break my heart somehow
    Your love for me is long since gone
    This enchanted evening has turned to dawn

    I feel like Cinderella at 1 past 12
    But who is gonna pick up my shoe
    All this time you put me through hell
    Our time is up what can I do

    Just came up with that on the fly while here at work. I'll finish it tonight.
     
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  5. J-Dizzle

    J-Dizzle Senior Member

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    IMO, part of songwriting is the ability to be arrogant (or ignorant enough) to power through what you perceive to be cliches or a hackneyed idea.

    You might come up with a good idea initially, but then hit a mental block because you think what you're writing is too derivative or embarrassing etc. IMO you just need to power through it and finish the song. Then you can tweak it afterward to make it more to your liking.

    IMO that can be the difference between a cool unfinished riff or melody versus a completed piece.
     
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  6. OHIOSTEVE

    OHIOSTEVE Senior Member

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    I can't believe I am posting this stuff here.
    This is a part of another one...obviously again aboit my son.

    I'm so jealous of the angels
    Cause they get to See your smile
    They get to hear your guitar playing I havent heard in quite a while.
    They get to hear your laughter
    All I get to do is cry
    I'm so jealous of the angels, they never have to say goodbye

    I know youre with your grandpa
    Probably singing amazing grace
    I know how happy he must be
    to see your smiling face
    I hope someday I'm with you
    We'll play freebird one more time
    But for now I'll sing wish you were here
    And if I could only fly.
     
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  7. Uncle Remus

    Uncle Remus Silver Supporter

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    No reason to be shy. Your songs are just that. Your songs. If no one ever heard them or they never get recorded they are still a part of you.
     
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  8. OHIOSTEVE

    OHIOSTEVE Senior Member

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    Thanks.... i know they aremt good.... I wish they were
     
  9. Uncle Remus

    Uncle Remus Silver Supporter

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    Not a thing wrong with your songs. I can feel the emotion. Songs are a great way to reflect and let it out.
     
  10. OHIOSTEVE

    OHIOSTEVE Senior Member

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    freebyrd 69 Silver Supporter Premium Member

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    I’ve got good news, and bad news. Good news....your words/lyrics are personal and a great emotional outlet. They are very good. It would be excellent to put some music to them, spend a few hundred bucks, and go make a recording for yourself.

    The bad news....nobody is going to give a shit at your shows. They are there to be entertained with songs they know and love. Maybe you can squeeze one in here and there, but again, it will just give them a chance to go take a piss or order a beer. For the most part, I’d keep them out of your show, and just do it for you.
     
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  12. OHIOSTEVE

    OHIOSTEVE Senior Member

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    I agree... if I had any thought of "making it" then I would think differently but I was talking to another singer today. I KNOW my place on the totem pole. And its nowhere near the top even locally. When I do an original at my shows I tell em I appreciate them indulging me lol.
     
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    OHIOSTEVE Senior Member

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    One more not trying to be serious

    You got your hat on backwards and your sleeves cut off
    Live in hollywood sing with a southern drawl
    daddys a lawyer aint country at all

    But when you walk on stage you say HEY Y'ALL
    WANNABE COUNTRY YOU AINT FROM THE HILLS
    WANNABE COUNTRY CAUSE ITS PAYIN THE BILLS
    WANNABE COUNTRY YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED
    WANNABE COUNTRY GIVIN COUNTRY A BAD NAME

    Worn out boots and wore out jeans
    Skoal ring on the pocket you had to pay for those things
    It's all just an image built by corporate kings
    Without auto tune you couldn't sing a damned thing


    WANNABE COUNTRY YOU AINT FROM THE HILLS
    WANNABE COUNTRY CAUSE ITS PAYIN THE BILLS
    WANNABE COUNTRY YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED
    WANNABE COUNTRY GIVIN COUNTRY A BAD NAME
     
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  14. Roxy13

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    I used to try to write lyrics first, but that is harder. Now what happens is either I hear something in my head musically or I'm just noodling on guitar and something starts developing. Then I write it down so I don't forget it later, and just keep working it until musically I have a song. Then the lyrics usually come later.

    When I play them for other people (and I'm not a gigging musician) I just throw them in after playing things I know that they know and like, and wait to see if there are comments. Usually the comments are positive, but the people hearing them are friends, family or neighbors. Once in a great while I get someone who tells me it's stupid to write songs no one will ever hear (meaning on the radio). Maybe it is, but it's something I feel compelled to do.
     
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    I hear you. We have done some originals over the years and they always fall flat with the crowd. It’s too bad people don’t want to hear original stuff at the bars anymore.
     
  16. Nard

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    I’ve written a lot of stuff and thrown a basic demo together just for fun but I know something is missing in each one I do. I can get a line in my head and write 2 verses, bridge and chorus in a couple of minutes. It may seem cheesy or cliche’d but once the music is put to it everything sounds better. I think another musician could help me improve things but I’m happy that I’ve at least got my ideas recorded. Finding the music is harder for me. You have to have that hook that gets your attention straight away then the lyrics aren’t the standout thing IMO.
     
  17. artis_xe

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    something you might try __ is to take a different perspective on such a literal meaning . break down the words . what does " broken " really mean ?
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/broken
    let curiosity lead you into examination , and don't be afraid of failure . ( cutting yourself down is very self defeating )

    I'm not any form of expert . in fact , at times I struggle just to write a proper response to a post :laugh2: __ but I do have my moments now and then
     
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    artis_xe Christopher

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    FvCk those people

    it's about the process . not the product
     
  19. TheWelder

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    Read 'Writing Better Lyrics' by Pat Pattison. Keep in mind, I don't typically recommend songwriting books but this one is great. The author provides very good exercises and examples of object writing, replacing 'cliche' lyrics with deeper or more abstract concepts, finding metaphors, etc. The forward is written by Gillain Welch.

    I'm not going to claim to be Bob Dylan or Paul Simon, but by far the best stuff I've come up with was when I was regularly practicing the exercises I learned from this book. Sadly, I've gotten out of practice. As mentioned above a few times, songwriting is a craft that can be learned but must be practiced to done well (for most anyway).

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/1582975779/?tag=mylespaul04-20
     
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    Don't force it. Stay open to it and let it show up on its own.
    The one you do have out is great!!!
    Looks like a few more headed your way.
    I agree with Jon to a point.
    I do think though that your crowd would be big followers of a few originals mixed in.
     

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