Some help ID'ing this Gibson please? Firebrand or The Paul?

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  1. vklobucar

    vklobucar Senior Member

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    So I am getting this really cheap from a friend of mine this week.

    Seeing as how he pretty much never played it, her offered it up to me and I grabbed it.

    Question is what is it? A Gibson "The Paul" or a "Firebrand"

    I know that the pups are not original but rather a Duncan Jazz/JB set and thats ok by me especially given the price. They initially had some MIK zebra (Ephiphone maybe?) pups that he swapped out. 10369967_791289330999338_523057784795226236_n.jpg 10393835_828113957316875_7960775882933760900_n.jpg 10584068_791289247666013_45044728652425836_n.jpg 23548487_10212864287276397_809137219_n.jpg

    Truss rod cover seems to read Firebrand but there is no Gibson logo at the headstock.

    Any experts care to kindly chime in please?
     
  2. DarrellV

    DarrellV Make the Switch for the Better! Silver Supporter Premium Member

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    I'll go with Firebrand.... Headstock logo sanded off?

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    Hey @mudface ! Didn't you used to have one of these....

    Are they the same / interchangeable?

    This one is called a 'The Paul Firebrand Deluxe'! :dunno:
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  3. vklobucar

    vklobucar Senior Member

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    Great!

    So what are the specs on that model given my serial number?
     
  4. mudface

    mudface Senior Member

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    I had a The Paul Firebrand Deluxe, the Gibson logo was literally branded into the headstock, though by '82 it was gold decal/silk screen, I don't know which. Ebony fret board and very powerful pups, Dirtyfingers I believe. No pickguard very similar to the OPs guitar. Very solid and cool guitars......so technically it's both.
     
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  5. Bobby Mahogany

    Bobby Mahogany Senior Member

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    Nice little rocker!
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  6. HardCore Troubadour

    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    Not the same/interchangeable.....

    The Paul Standard= walnut body
    Firebrand Deluxe=Mahogany body

    The Paul’s were 78-early 82

    Firebrand started late 81

    This is not the first one I have seen with no logo....the few times have all been right in the late 1981/early 1982 transition....I would bet they missed it in the switchover from slide to brand....toward the end of the run (85-86) they painted some Black/Winered/teal blue...it was not really pellaham blue etc.

    They also did “The SG” and IIRC also an “ES” model that was NOT a semi hollow body, it was solid.

    This is a Firebrand...

    Damn shame about the pups, the T-tops in my 78 just ROCK...my take anywhere and play anything guitar.

    Buy it.
    Rock it.
     
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  7. vklobucar

    vklobucar Senior Member

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    So I am guessing $300 with a case is a decent deal after all even without the stock pups?

    I am getting it today as a matter of fact!

    Stay tuned for more detailed pics this afternoon.
     
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    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    yes $300 is fair without the stocks pups.
     
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    Vector13 Junior Member

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    SOS!
    Hey there can you tell me what type of Les Paul is it? I checked the serial number but it only says that the guitar is made in USA, Nashville.
     

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  10. Kris Ford

    Kris Ford Senior Member

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    FAKE.

    Not a real Gibson, sorry.
     
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    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    Absolutely.......
     
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  12. mudface

    mudface Senior Member

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    That my friend is a Asian boat paddle, not a real Gibson.
     
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    madmusicltd Senior Member

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    I have a Firebrand, they originally cam with T-Tops. To me something looks off about this guitar pictured? On the Firebrand, the Gibson logo is engraved/branded into the head stock, so it would not disappear after sanding, I also don't think this is a Gibson, as It looks like it has a metric bridge, it appears to has been refinished, tuners are newer, (Firebrands came with Gibson Tulip Shallers), head stock does not seem to have wings or correct shape, and it looks like the body is one piece, the Firebrand is made of multiple pieces. The fret board should be ebony as well. Although I am not sure why someone would try to fake a "Paul" or a "Firebrand"? just my thoughts as owner of an original, and the serial number does reveal that it should be from the Firebrand era, so the neck should have a valute, if it does not the serial number is off?, if it is a Gibson, it is a newer "The Paul" model made to look like a "Firebrand"...
     
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    scozz Senior Member

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    Yup....absolutely a FAKE....I'm sorry if you bought it thinking it's a Gibson.
     
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    vklobucar Senior Member

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    IMG_0088.JPG IMG_0090.JPG IMG_0091.JPG IMG_0092.JPG IMG_0093.jpg So I got it home and tore it apart.

    And yes it is indeed a 100% authentic Gibson. Have a look at the control cavity and pots.

    A repro waterslide logo was applied where the old one was removed. Not perfect but works for me.

    As well I was told that the pups were Duncan's but lo and behold they are Gibson pickups!

    Plays superb and is without a doubt one of the finest "sleeper" Les Paul models.
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    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    Good for you brother....what are the ohm readings on the pickups??
     
  17. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Senior Member

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    According to the serial, my LP Firebrand (not Firebrand The Paul Deluxe) is 1980, Grover tulips, ebony fingerboard. I bought it used in '81. Looks like the pups in vklobucar's new guitar got changed out since the pics in the first post were taken? Definitely mahogany body, but hard to tell from the pics if the fingerboard is ebony, though in the pic of the neck pup it kinda looks like it. Would be interesting to figure out what the pups actually are. Does it have a volute? FWIW, Ed Roman Guitars made a pile of clones of this guitar that were nearly identical to the originals, though I believe this is the real deal. Looks like a great player. Mine has been my #1 since I got it!
    Congrats!
    Gene
     
  18. vklobucar

    vklobucar Senior Member

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    Mine certainly has no volute and has a serial number as well as a Made In USA stamped into the wood too. Fingerboard is 100% ebony.

    Yes the previous owner had some cheap Gotoh or Epiphone zebra pups that my friend had swapped out. He had of course mentioned Seymour Duncan but I was VERY pleased to see Gibson pups after all. I will measure the ohms later today but my thinking is a standard set of 498T os something similar as these pups are hot!

    Will need a re fret down the line but its still a VERY playable guitar! The mahogany meets ebony makes for a great mix and kinda LP meets SG if you will.

    Very pleased!

    Any tips on polishing these guitars? I see some matte finish and then some really shiny versions. Tips please?
     
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  19. HardCore Troubadour

    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    if yours has no volute there is a problem......

    I think you have the 490 series also......

    All boards on these were hog.

    I would like to see pics og the Firebrand that is dated 1980 please......

    the firebrand was a the paul deluxe regardless of the Truss rod cover....I have seen lots more that just say fire brand than the entire thing.

    tip: do not polish.
     
  20. madmusicltd

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    firebrand-2.jpg FireBrand-Ad.jpg 20170915_234819.jpg Looks authentic to me vklobucar! Mine is not much older but seems much different. my serial number puts mine at 4/29/1980, My Firebrand is speckled with black paint, with dents and marks added at the factory, then it looks to be coated with nitro, it was purposely coated extra thick in the pick guard area. Cool guitar enjoy!
     
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