So, I have found my dream top, but I feel I need to do something.

Discussion in 'Historics & Reissues' started by L96A1, Jul 26, 2017.

  1. bossaddict

    bossaddict Premium Member

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    That looks killer! I would echo Tim's sentiments. Live with it for a while and make sure you really love it deeper than just the top before you go for a makeover.
     
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  2. Travis19

    Travis19 Senior Member

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    That top is fantastic...I wouldn't have that finish altered in any way...except from your own sweat.

    Congrats!
     
  3. jamman

    jamman Premium Member

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    Tim is correct about the opts and caps . Those will effect your tone ,big time . IIRC 300K pots were standard in those days .putting 500K pots will make a world of difference ....You might even fin you like the pups after hearing them with "better "pots" .
    Strings are a big part of tone along with the type of pic used. they can make a huge difference ....
    I'd try 1 thing at a time , test ,eval and see what you think before doing everything at once ...
    That way you'll know ,,,, what made the difference ...

    IMO Pups are important , but without decent pots ,you wont hear as much as has you think you will . With the same old pots , you'll still get that muffled old tone . guaranteed
     
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  4. Sct13

    Sct13 Gold Supporter Premium Member

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    killer....

    You hate it.....

    send it to me....
     
  5. Sct13

    Sct13 Gold Supporter Premium Member

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    um....! wait ....What makeover?

    Don't do THAT....!! I got a real nice Aged R8 Lemon MTM I'll Trade you for it!!
     
  6. L96A1

    L96A1 Senior Member

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    Thanks for going into details, very helpful to me. I'd start with trying a set of NYXL, while checking out the harness.
     
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  7. L96A1

    L96A1 Senior Member

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    Nice try.:)
    I did buy it for the top and probably it will save me some money for buying the top, hopefully.
     
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  8. nitrodave08

    nitrodave08 Senior Member

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    From what I have found on the pickups. Not an expert
    "Pickups changed from 57 Classics to Burstbuckers in 2002"

    Pickups will be the biggest change, then you can fine tune with caps and pots.

    As for the top "I think finallly i found my killer top" Putting in fake dings, scratches and scuffs will not change the sound. Think of all the pickups you can try for the cost.
     
  9. RAG7890

    RAG7890 Premium Member

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    Proper set up & Harness + PU's.

    Harness always comes before the PU's swap, if you only do one of these two changes.

    End of story.

    Use the HM money to pay towards the Explorer. :p :D

    Nice Guitar. :thumbs: :wow: :wow: :wow:

    My 2c FWIW.

    Cheers, Rudi.
     
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  10. rich85

    rich85 Senior Member

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    Upgrade the wiring, then pickups. If you still dont like it, sell it. There is no magical thing thats gonna help much beyond that.

    I wish I gave myself that advice before wasting money on tone turd guitars. Some just suck.
     
  11. L96A1

    L96A1 Senior Member

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    Hope all is well Rudi.
     
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  12. Sharky

    Sharky Senior Member

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    BTW, that's an exceptionally beautiful guitar and if I were in your situation, I'd try everything possible to make it my keeper. Good luck on your quest
     
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  13. Elad

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    Beautiful guitar, I wouldn't HM it if I were you - age it by playing it.

    Regarding the tone - if you tried the guitar with different amps and the tonal dissatisfaction persisted I can suggest the below mentioned route, IME/IMO/YMMV, in this order:
    1. Pickup height adjustment. start with 1/16 on the bridge pickup, from top of pole piece to bottom of strings, and 3/32 on neck pickup when strings are depressed at last fret. take this as a starting point and adjust from there. keep in mind that raising the pickup poles vs raising the entire pickup would yield different tonal results (mainly in clarity vs. low end response).
    2. Pure Nickel strings. they are what was used when my favorite recordings were made and I find they have the most organic balanced tone and a lot of definition, which may help the lack of "bite". I like Pyramid's offering.
    3. Aluminum tailpiece. AFAIK, 2001 reissues have the heavy "Zamac" tailpiece which IMO muffles the tone. put a fridge magnet on to the tailpiece - if it sticks you have the "Zamac" tailpiece. In this case I'll personally get an aluminum tailpiece (Gotoh makes a nice one for around 40-45$), and I'm sure you'll hear more "bite" as well as a more airy tone which to me is representative of real Burst tone.
    4. good potentiometers. quality 500 or 550k pots will definitely help with a congested tone, especially if your LP has the 300k pots which filter a lot of high end and harmonics - where "bite" lives. I guess Gibson wanted to cater to people using high-gain preamp distortion amps, the flavor of the day in the late 90s and early 00s, hence the quirky pot values in older CS reissues (and the USA line).
    5. new pickups. if everything else fails - get new pickups. can't help you with which pickups to get but I find the lower output ones (<8Kohm) to be the opposite of congested, muted or mellow.
     
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  14. L96A1

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    Exactly´╝ü
     
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    L96A1 Senior Member

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    Wow, I'm getting a manual, appreciate it, will try them and update!
     
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  17. Sharky

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    whatever you wind up with, do you have some more pictures to post? I'd really like to see more details and bigger pictures for sure.
     
  18. L96A1

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    I'm taking a trip and will post more pics next weekend.
     
  19. L96A1

    L96A1 Senior Member

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    So, as promised, more pics taken over the weekend.

    Will start with CTS pots first next week.

    This was taken by the seller.
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    Honduran or whatever Mahogany, its always a debate starter.
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    Control cavity, looks original, I measured the pots, reading was around 460K.
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    Taken this afternoon, the evening sunlight gave the color a red hue.
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    Thanks to Sharky for teaching me the new image insert method.
     
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  20. joff

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    Yum yum! :drool:
     

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