Single sized humbucker... is it real?

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  1. Zhangliqun

    Zhangliqun Senior Member

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    Duncan and other makers of single-coil sized humbuckers don't claim they will sound exactly like the real thing, just that they will be a far better approximation than an overwound true single.
     
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  2. Antigua

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    I don't think they've ever explicitly made that claim. I'm sure they imply it, though.
     
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  3. northernguitarguy

    northernguitarguy SWeAT hOg

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    Yes they do.

    The Super Distortion® S offers the performance of the famous Super Distortion®in a humbucking Strat® bridge direct replacement-size pickup.
     
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  4. Antigua

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    It's subtle, but technically, saying that one pickup sounds like another pickup doesn't exclude the possibility that other pickups sound similar too. They're not saying a hot single coil doesn't sound like a PAF.
     
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    northernguitarguy SWeAT hOg

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    Whatever. They’re implying that they will sound the same. Hence the OP question, which is totally legit.
     
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  6. Antigua

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    In your quote they say "offers the performance" which does not mean "sounds the same". It's implied that they will sound the same, but not promised, because that would require that they defy physics.
     
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    northernguitarguy SWeAT hOg

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    Jesus, I just finished saying that they imply that they will sound the same. Are you fucking with me?
     
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  8. ARandall

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    Oh, you are not aware of the ducking and weaving Antigua shows when its proved something he says is not correct......welcome to the madhouse.
     
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  9. Antigua

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    I never said OP's question wasn't legit, btw. I don't know where you got that idea from. I think OP's question is a very good one, which is why I responded with a detailed answer.

    The bottom line is that a pickup is low pass filter with some small amount of resonance, with a given set of dimensions. For the fact that there is not much to it, you can make an overwound single coil sounds as close to the '59 as does a Little '59, which is to say, not very close. The only real difference between a hot single coil and a hot SC-HB is that one humbucks EMI and other other doesn't. The other differences between then are trivial.
     
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  10. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    By that logic, a PAF and P-90 would sound identical. Which is absolutely absurd. It's fine if you want to share theory and thought, but qualify it as such. You often use the word "fact" around your statements and that's just outright misleading to those who lack experience and don't know your deal.

    Why do I feel like I'm just feeding a troll, here? :facepalm:
     
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  11. ARandall

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    ^ You have to fight the good fight James. We all know that you are all about giving good info to anybody who asks. Think of it as making sure anyone who stumbles across this thread in the future is not mislead!!
     
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  12. Antigua

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    No, because the PAF has comb filtering and typically has lower inductance than a P-90 as well. In fact, hot SC-HB pickups such as a Little 59's have more in common with a P-90 than they do a '59 PAF, but since far more PAF style humbuckers are sold than P-90's, it makes better marketing sense to assert that the SC-HB is meant to mimick a PAF style HB.
     
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  13. ARandall

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    ^ There is no 'typical' inductance to a p90....nor a humbucker for that matter. With the same inductance, p90's and humbuckers sound different. Like singlecoils and humbuckers for that matter

    But you'd just finished saying singlecoils and humbuckers are the same:
    And now you have just contradicted yourself......can it get any more embarrassing for you here??? Maybe you should go back to Strat Talk where there are no winders on the forum and your continual quoting of irrelevant metrics can comfortably be confused for actual knowledge.
     
  14. Antigua

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    I said the other differences are trivial. Differences such as Q factor and magnetic string pull are easy to compensate for. The two things that are probably most difficult to change in a pickup is the inductance per coil and the overall dimensions. Other factors are easier to adjust.
     
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    I don't get all this highly technical gibberish.

    As a player, all I know is that my SD little 59, splitted or not, clean or distorded, sound great in my Strat.

    I won't change it anytime soon.
     
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  16. Antigua

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    The highly technical gibberish says that you are forbidden from being satisfied with single coil sized humbuckers. You are in violation.
     
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  17. dsmcl77

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    If you're having to 'adjust for' or 'compensate for'.....then they are not the same. Now you are having to resort to qualifiers to try and keep your point alive.
     
  19. Antigua

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    I never said they were the same, I said the differences were trivial. You seem to be struggling with this.
     
  20. ARandall

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    No struggling.....just getting you to yet again contradict yourself. Its quite fun really.
     
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