Short miscellaneous questions part III

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  1. To Need a Woman

    To Need a Woman Senior Member

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    Couldn't quite get the 1st 3 chords starting from 6:46?

    Is this a Gm7b5 chord at 1:07? as that's how I play it!

    What's scale would you say the brief thing here from 6:07 is based on? It reminds me of something you'd here at a circus. or have I heard it before!

    What chord is that at 1:34? A Gmaj to a what?

    Longer question - chords to 'Dollar Days' sax solo - at 2:17. I heard; Bm F#-A-F#-Bm-F#-Bm-F#. But in this tab, I see F# as F#/A & A as A/E?
    https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/d/david_bowie/dollar_days_crd.htm


    Thanks
     
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  2. huw

    huw V.I.P. Member

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    I've got crappy speakers here, but IMHO it sounds like it could be Bm > D/A (YMMV) :)

    Well "key" has multiple definitions :rolleyes: so it depends, but to me it doesn't change key. I hear that as headed for the tonic the whole time, just using an expanded harmony. I don't hear any resolution anywhere else except the original tonic, and that's how I'm defining key : by resolution.

    Sorry, but no time for the other questions - busy day.

    :cheers:
     
  3. To Need a Woman

    To Need a Woman Senior Member

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  4. spitfire

    spitfire Senior Member

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    Your fist question, those chores starting at 6:46 are:

    He sort of chunks the low strings then the high strings for two beats on each of the 1st 3 chords.
    Em6 > E, C#, G
    Em6 > E, C#, G, B

    Dmaj7 > D, C#, F#
    Dmaj7 > D, C#, F#, A

    Dm7 > D, C, F
    Dm7 > D, C, F, A

    Edit ***
    Dbm7 > Db, B, Fb (E) , Ab
    Cm7 > C, Bb, Eb, G
    ***

    Bm7 > B, A, D, F#

    Ddim > Ab, D, F
    DMb5 (?) > Ab, D, F#
    Ddim > Ab, D, F

    D (single note)

    Edit *** fixed as originally noted by the OP to be A6sus2, and explained by HUW
    A6sus2 > A (open), F#, B, E, A
     
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  5. To Need a Woman

    To Need a Woman Senior Member

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    Thanks Spitfire, I wouldn't have got that myself
    It's good to put a proper name to that one, as I was calling it an A6sus2.
    I think he just played those two quick ones as minor 7ths though
    I just played that as (AB, B, F) rather than D(open), B, F
     
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    spitfire Senior Member

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    Actually, A6sus2 is probably more technically correct since there is not a 7th (to make the 2nd a 9). But then if there was a 7th, the 6th would then be a 13th. However, I think it is still more common to call it a 69.

    I agree, those are just Dbm7 and Cm7. Not sure why I wrote them as m6th chords.

    Referring to the Ddim, I don't know what you mean by D (open). The notes are Ab (6th fret, 4th string), D (7th fret, 3rd string), and F (6th fret, 2nd string). He then just raises the F to F# and back to F before playing the Db (9th fret, 1st string). Before finishing with the A69.

    Though you can certainly play the B (3rd string, 4th fret) which is the diminished 7th (6th). If I did it that way, I'd go ahead and just play the root D (5th fret, 5th string). That is a very common way to play a dim7th. Just not what he is doing in the video.
     
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    huw V.I.P. Member

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    To split hairs (sorry) : A6/9 (not 69! :) ) = A B C# E F#

    No C# > sus2, so A6(sus2) would be the usual way to name it. (Of course, context is always important)

    For A6/9, play the A at the 5th fret on the low E, & C#at the 4th fret on the A string, then keep the F# B E A on the top 4 strings. It's a slightly different sound.

    :)
     
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    spitfire Senior Member

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    3rd, you want a 3rd. Picky bastard :)

    Yes, no 3rd would make it a 6sus2. Thanks for pointing that out.
     
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    huw V.I.P. Member

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    :laugh2:

    Yeah, sorry - I get twitchy about stuff like that.

    It's an illness....

    :)
     
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    spitfire Senior Member

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    Well, these details do make a difference, so I would just as soon get it right.
     
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    To Need a Woman Senior Member

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    This one? Pleeeaaaaase!
     
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    G# Maj

    actually...

    Cm ..Ab...Bb....C?

    or if you mean the bit RIGHT at 1:34 think it's still a G with a high G
     
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    JonR Senior Member

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    Personally I'm fine with 69 - on the basis that nobody (surely) is going to ask "what's the 69th note above C?", and nor are there too many Nigel Tufnels around who will think it means "play a C chord 69 times" ;)

    I'm OK with 6/9 too of course, but some are going to think it means "9th in the bass"... :facepalm:
     
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    JonR Senior Member

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    Taking it from the rhythmically punched out chords starting at 1:28, I get this:
    Code:
    1:28       1:31        1:34        1:37   1:38
    |Eb - F - |D/F# - G - |G/F - Eb6 - |Ab Bb |Csu4 - |C
     
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  15. To Need a Woman

    To Need a Woman Senior Member

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    Thanks JonR
    That's an F minor (not an F) btw!

    I wouldn't have spotted that second Eb as being a 6! In fact I thought the first Eb was a Cm/Eb

    I play it as:
    Code:
    ---------
    --12----
    --13----
    --12-----
    ---------
    --11----
    
    How are 6 chords usually played though? Take a G6 for example; which of the below would be more common?
    Code:
    ------------
    ---3---5-----
    ---4---4-----
    ---2---5-----
    -------------
    ---3---3-----
    
    One of these is in fact a minor/3rd as I now realise. It seems to me that people prefer to term minor slash chords as 6 chords. They're not really 6 chord unless the 5th is played. I'm sure Elt would think of it as a slash chord.

    Take the F6 in the intro of this song. Isn't it really a Dm/F? which I'd played as --1x323x--
     
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  16. JonR

    JonR Senior Member

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    Oops you're right!
    Yes I think you're right(ish) there too, but I think there's a Bb in there somewhere. Eb6 or Cm7/Eb, in that case.
    I think you mean:
    Code:
    ---------
    --13----
    --12----
    --13-----
    ---------
    --11----
    
    ;)
    Maybe.
    You're right about the 6 chord having a 5th in it. It can still be an inverted m7 chord, though. The chord has two perfect 5ths (G-D and E-B in this case), each pointing to their own root, and the chord identity - IMO - just depends on whether G or E is in the bass, because that determines which note sounds like the root.
    If D or B is in the bass, then it's up for grabs! I think it would still depend on whether G was lower than E or vice versa.
    D-E-G-B = Em7/D
    D-G-B-E = G6/D? Or still Em7/D?
    B-E-G-D = Em7/B, yes?
    B-G-D-E = G6/B?
    It doesn't really matter, but the deciding factor is probably context. E.g., if there are Em-type chords either side, "Em7" is the better name.
    That's a suitable shape if you only have one guitar, but there's a C in the chord too - a little more awkward on one guitar: 1-3-3-2-3-x.
    I'd call it F6 anyway.
    Or Dm7/F. ;)
     

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