Shaw era minis

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  1. ARandall

    ARandall Senior Member

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    Bought a mini off the 'bay which was made near at the end of the Deluxe era. It has the pat stamped baseplate but with the Shaw format ink stamp. Manufacture date is Jan 81.
    I'm just wondering if any of the Shaw features like the magnet type or copper penny wire also were used on this era mini??
     

  2. DarrellV

    DarrellV About as sharp as a bowlin' ball! -NPM Silver Supporter Premium Member

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    I'm not the definitive authority on these AR, but during my research on my own I seem to recall at least a mention of the possibility. The odds seem to be against it so far...

    I see others are asking the same thing...

    From a manufacturing standpoint it would make sense if that was the wire they had in stock and on the machines, and they had bins of the rough magnets.

    Gibson did the same with making mini versions of the original PAF's in the 60's if I'm not mistaken. So why not in the Shaw recreations?

    Can you get a DCR just to see if it's in the 7K area like the others?

    Would be nice if you could take the covers off.
     
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    I have had a couple of sets with the shaw stamps but have never been able to find concrete evidence that he wound them etc. etc.

    I will say that he did dirty fingers (first, actually) so it makes sense.....but who knows.

    I find them to vary pretty widely......most tend to be in the 6 range....
     

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    According to one source he also did the short lived Velvet Brick...
     

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    Not that I have ever heard....I thought the brick was Bill Lawrence?
     

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    the first link is blocked at my work, and the second is so vague that I would not put any stock in it...guy never says that Tim said he made the VB....also the readings and pics go to it being a classic regular shaw humbucker on a dirty finger base-plate (that a LOT of the early ones had)......

    You also have to remember that this was just another job for TS at the time, he did not know he would be "quizzed" for years to come and did not keep up with a lot of it.......

    If you want proof of that, there are several interviews where TS says 100% that they never ever used a set of T-top bobbins even when winding his first and earliest pick-ups......something that I know is incorrect, because I have seen them...about 3 sets so far.

    I will look at he first link this even after I cut the leaves that have become my yard.....
     
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    DarrellV About as sharp as a bowlin' ball! -NPM Silver Supporter Premium Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:

    Thanks again, Lee!

    So it could be another urban legend...

    FWIW Seymore duncan's forum has a conversation about them too in which they claim Tim made them...

    I know, if a hundred people agree on a bad idea, its still a bad idea....
     

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    Thanks for all the input.......

    It kinda goes along with the way my thoughts were headed. One other point perhaps is that the Tarback was still in production too - and there could well have been stocks of wire for that pickup which probably would have had the same insulation as T-tops.

    Once the pickup is in I will see whether it is openable - it probably needs a longer hookup wire so thats one reason to do it.
     
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    I'll be watching......:fingersx:
     

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    Any followup on this, AR? :fingersx:
     

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    Thanks for reminding me........although I did give a teaser in another thread

    Well the pickup took ages to get here. In fact we got as far as the seller refunding me as we had thought it was lost in the post. But it arrived and all was well.
    I struggled to get the pickup apart. And after some delicate work that got nowhere, I realised that I wasn't up for doing an autopsy so just had to look at the small glimpses provided. For comparison I had a 'supposed' 76 mini.
    The spacers looked the same between them, as did the wire colour.
    The only thing I couldn't check was the magnet. But I'd guess this was the same too as the Shaw era returned to the full length mag and the minis have the short.
     
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    DarrellV About as sharp as a bowlin' ball! -NPM Silver Supporter Premium Member

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    Thanks for the reply, AR...:thumb:

    Am I right thinking the min is potted and that's why it was so hard to pull apart?

    That would seem to me to indicate it wasn't made the same as a Shaw either....

    Thanks for the treasure hunt!:thumb:
     

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    the mini's in my old 81 were NOT potted.
     

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    And yur killin' me! :laugh2:

    OK, open that last chapter back up and the mystery continues.....

    This could end up as the thread that never ends..:eek2:
     

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    the mini's in my 74 are not potted either as well as I remember.
     

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    I don't believe any potting with wax started until the 490 series. Of course Tarbacks were epoxy sealed which is the typical Norlin 'exception to the rule'.

    The issue with mine was the covers had been resoldered before I got them.....so I had unremovable blobs on the sides of the covers and on the baseplate sides that made it hard to remove the cover past. I felt that it might damage the pickup to yank on it, so given they'd taken 4 weeks longer than expected to arrive I didn't want another round world trip to have them seen to.

    I'd hoped to pick James's (ReWind) brain on them too......but he's not into the minis at all.

    A couple of pics. The Shaw era has the ink stamp of the era. The late 70's one seemingly has May 23 still faintly visible on it. I know that some of the t-tops had Month and Year, but was there a small period too where month/day was stamped?? DSC00225.JPG DSC00226.JPG
     

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    Looks like they were made without any bobbin screws and the cover held the whole thing together.

    Even the magnet fits end to end...

    So they would not have needed to pot these as there was no room or need, really. Everything was packed in there pretty tight..

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    Back in the early '80s i had a Deluxe, can't remember if it was a '78 or '79,..... any how the bridge pickup was seriously microphonic and i opened it up and it looked exactly like this.....I was so discouraged with its construction i tossed in the garbage.....Young & Dumb:facepalm:....If i knew folks would make a big deal out of these i would have kept it......i replaced them with P90s and traded it for a Tele my dad wanted.:D
     

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    Ha! You did the right thing at the time... There is little doubt in my mind that these were made with the thought of time and material saving more than the toanz they would produce.
    Gibson already had a proven humbugger design with a popular sound so what other options might have led them to try this instead...

    I am speculating of course, but I have many years of factory and production experience, so it occurs to me that this is a simpler design, is smaller so it uses less material, has less parts that need making and fitting, so it saves material forming time and time during assembly.

    Pressed and held together by the cover..... done!

    No wax potting either, saving energy, time, and material costs.

    YMMV....
     
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