SGs, neckdive and you

Discussion in 'Other Gibsons' started by FennRx, Dec 31, 2017.

Is neckdive a deal breaker?

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  2. No

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  3. Pie

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  1. Wailing

    Wailing Senior Member

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    My SG Junior does not dive, and I would have thought less weight on the body would have increased the chance of neck dive. It has the white button tuners which are light..maybe that makes a difference..
     
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  2. mdubya

    mdubya Senior Member

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    My 2006 SG Classic balances fine.

    My 1991 SG Special has a little bit of dive if you let go of it, but nothing excessive and all but unnoticeable when playing.

    My former 1995 Firebird V, now that had neck dive! A reverse Firebird will change anyone's opinion of what constitutes neck dive. :laugh2:

    My current non-reverse Firebird balances almost perfectly with the strap attached at the heel.
     
  3. madmusicltd

    madmusicltd Senior Member

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    Using a longer strap with rawhide backing and strap locks is key
     
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  4. Have FUN

    Have FUN Senior Member

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    The Gibson SG don' t like heavy tuners, if you have Grover machine heads put a set of new Kluson Revolution or Gibson Deluxe


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  5. dsmcl77

    dsmcl77 Senior Member

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    I never had problems with neck dive.

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  6. dsmcl77

    dsmcl77 Senior Member

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  7. gball

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    Way I look at it is the guitar only experiences neck dive if my hands are both off it, and if my hands are both off it I am using it wrong, so no, "neck dive" not a problem. I love SG's.
     
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  8. CCK

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    I've got a very light, 5.5 pound SG with an ebony fingerboard. Using a Italia 2.5" wide strap and no neck dive at all. Very comfortable guitar to play, I call it my "last set guitar".
     
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  9. Biebers_Monkey

    Biebers_Monkey Junior Member

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    It has been a known issue since they were first made. Gibson sticks with the notion that the strap buttons WILL ALWAYS STAY IN THE SAME PLACE since the 60's. Never have they considered to find the actual proper place to put the strap buttons for each variation of the SG in order to make them hang properly. So many EASY things to correct and so little of them ever are.
     
  10. Have FUN

    Have FUN Senior Member

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    Better than stainless steel knobs, lighter :)


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    jojo Senior Member

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    I've never experienced it on any of the Sgs I own/ed. I've always used a wide leather strap tho.
     
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    Rarely encounter really bad "dive," but almost always encounter some head heaviness and near-slippage. Both are annoying, as I don't always use a "grippy" left hand, and I like the neck to stay put. I use some lead-shot filled plastic bags in the control cavity to counterbalance the head weight, and it doesn't take much to accomplish that. I also do move the strap button to the horn, which may seem drastic but isn't. I find that it really takes both of these adjustments to get the guitar to hang neutrally. No way I'm removing old gold Grovers on my Custom to add crappy Klusons instead. No thanks.
     
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  13. Radbloke McShreddington

    Radbloke McShreddington Member

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    I always thought people were crazy talking about neck dive on SGs. I've played one for years and never experienced it. Then I changed to a nylon strap for the first time. Smashed the headstock straight into my cab when I went to crack a beer. Back to leather strap it was!
     
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    I first owned a 1983 Gibson SG Special, and neck dive just really wasn't an issue.

    Later I acquired a Japanese Burny as well as a cheap JT Turser with P90s, and neck dive was not an issue on those either.

    I recently bought a 2017 Gibson Standard HP and wow does this one want to dive. I have read people blame this on the G Force but I have my doubts they are all that heavier than most machine heads. So is it the strap button placement? I'm not a gigging musician these days so I've decided just to play it sitting down, or I'll get a suede strap for it.
     
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  15. Have FUN

    Have FUN Senior Member

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    Remove those heavy Grover tuners !

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    Is there a two for one solution? Lighter weight drop in locking tuners for a 2013 VOS?
     
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    I have 1.5 SGs - a '04 SG Classic and a '65 Standard currently in many bits. If you look at the guitars you immediately see that the classic's neck strap button is a full inch closer to the headstock than the Standard's. The Classic has no neck dive, the standard probably will have some, but I use thick suede straps and despite classical training I grab the guitar neck so I don't really care.
     
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  18. MooCheng

    MooCheng Senior Member

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    a suede strap and wearing a cotton shirt keeps sg's put
     
  19. Biddlin

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    I'm sure that was the straps fault.
    That's what she said.
     
  20. Kris Ford

    Kris Ford Senior Member

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    Nicely done! I do leather too! But oddly enough, have never made myself a strap!
     

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