ReWind Electric "Vintage Pickup Repairs Photo Thread" (eye candy central)

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  1. Brewdude

    Brewdude Senior Member

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    Definite *like* :applause:
    Are these closer to PAF or T-Top in wind pattern, etc? They seem like nice value compared with early PAT #'s (and of course PAFs) but was always curious how different they are to the cheaper and easier to find T-Tops.
     
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  3. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    They sound tight and choppy. Spanky and jangly, with a scooped midrange and a fair amount of compression. Lower output coils, hotter A5 magnets.

    Early patent decal pickups sound like most real late PAFs, but the later patent decal pickups sound like neither. Is that what you meant?
     
  4. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Ohhh.... that old paper tape. The new stuff just doesn't look right after you see enough of the old.

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    Another fantastic job performed by a true artisan!!
     
  6. Kris Ford

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    If anyone wonders where the 490 designation came from, show 'em THIS:
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    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    490 AND 491!

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    That one in the last post was the famous mold location #4, these are mold #2 and #3. Hard to see that "2" in the top one, but it's there, if you look carefully.
     
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    LIKE, LIKE, LIKE :thumb:
     
  9. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Who can call this one?

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    Man, those big spring-mounted, side-adjust slug poles are 100% DeArmond. Do not think I've ever seen one cover-off, though!
     
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    They reminded me of Valve lifters is a 3 cylinder !!

    Great Pic!
     
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    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    You got it!

    One of my all-time favorite pickups, this DeArmond DynaSonic from a 1953 Gretsch Duo Jet. The first year that Gretsch made the Duo Jets. I understand there are just two left and this one is the the only one with an original neck!

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    Pure beauty to me! ...both in sound and design. I wish I could own this one but I'm even more glad that it's in the original guitar, which has also been restored.
     
  13. kakerlak

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    ^Those DeArmonds are cool. I remember how surprising it was the first time I saw the underside of one and realized what was going on underneath!
     
  14. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Art in manufacturing of products made for manufacturing art. I love it!

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    Hey James,
    How much impact do you think all those springs, screws and elevator plates have on the sonic characteristics of those DeArmonds? It's a clever arrangement in a way, but it's also a pretty cumbersome one, simply to allow the poles to go up/down. Those pickups are deeper below-deck than they are tall above it -- seems like a lot of extra stuff to shape the magnetic field. I wonder how much different they'd sound with it all stripped off and just the poles wedged into place with friction alone a la Fender.
     
  16. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Well, the screws and springs are steel, so they act as additional pole mass, reshape the magnetic field, and change the permeability. The springs especially, reshape the magnetic field in a complex way (think about all those videos of ferrofluid on drill bits).

    Brass, like copper and aluminum, isn't magnetic in the common sense of the term but does interact with magnetic fields. I don't think this amount of brass with these types of magnets will do much but, technically, it does cause some electrical changes.

    The screws springs and brass all also add mass which will change the acoustic properties of the pickup.

    I think, if the pickup were designed today, the need for adjustable pole pieces would not be as strong of a consideration and it would probably be made without them. On the other hand, if one were to remove the springs, adjustment screws, and brass collars from the existing vintage pickup I am confident that it would sound different. How different, I can't say without trying. If someone wants to send me another one, I'll be happy to experiment and document the results. :)




    Also.... 1959 PAF:

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    Thanks for the take, James. I just wonder about those old designs - a lot of them were purely pragmatic from an engineering standpoint and I wonder how many of the resulting sounds were happy accidents, how much random mechanical design elements ended up influencing tone. I thought the same thing -- that those DeArmonds would likely sound noticeably different w/o all the extra metal. As-is, they're fabulous pickups, but it could be that part of the fabulousness is a happy accident.
     
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    This thread is awesome! Thanks James.
     
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    Awesome stuff here. James, have you ever had your hands on an original
    Charlie Christian?
     
  20. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Yes, but only in a guitar. I haven't taken one apart but it's one of my favorite pickup sounds. I love what Danny Gatton did with one so much more than his humbucker sound.


    I see red poly peeking out of this 60's humbucker!
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