Rescuing another broken headstock guitar. $30 Epi SG Craigslist find

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  1. Who

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    Hahahaha

    I just found this video. The guy did just what I would have done. Right down to having to repair it twice! The magic-marker blend is a nice touch.

     
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    wasnt surprised the first attempt was futile, i didnt think the fiberglass would work for the second attempt but i guess it is still holding, i would feel better with splines knowing it should hold as opposed to opening the case one day and see that it didnt as the strings are 6 inches above the fretboard !! ...perfect for slide maybe....:laugh2:
     
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  3. Who

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    Evil picture from Internet is giving me evil thoughts. Must... resist.....

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    I wouldn't complain about the infamous SG "neck dive"!
     
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    :shock: I just threw up a little..
     
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    The info from titebond to dampen the wood is for their polyeurethane glue and not for normal titebond (although thining titebond with a little water helps solidify soft wood fibres)
    Cheers

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    If you can't fix it than go for it! Add a crazy paintjob and you will have amazing and original guitar :thumb:
     
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  7. Who

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    Thanks! I guess I should have read a bit better.

    I did brush the titebond on pretty well, so I probably ended up with thinned glue where it meets the wood. I hope I didn't weaken the joint.

    I will be splining this, though. The joint is definitely strong enough to hold long enough to do the routing.
     
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    Glad to hear about the progress, waiting for the unveiling!
     
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    You're braver than me attempting such a task! I love your improvisational skills, it actually looks quite well thought out. Hope you will be able to definitely save that poor SG from the skip!
     
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  10. Who

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    Update time.

    The block of wood arrived from the eBay seller. Looks good.

    Here's the results of the gluing:
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    Time for me to figure out how to use a router.. I have a Harbor Freight Trim Router.

    I've never used it before. I can't even remember what I bought it for, but I never did use it.

    Let me check YouTube and see if there's anything helpful. This over-the-top-happy man has just what I need, at 0:55:
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    I do some messing about, and come up with this. The sample piece is the piece of mahogany I bought on eBay.


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    I'm going to push the router guide against my guide board, and sort of float the router into place. The way I'm clamping the neck, I can't come up with a better/easy system that will keep the clamps out of the way of the moving router.


    I'm kind of going for what this guy is doing, except my setup is made from stuff I have lying around.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VaXY1iX3vo[/ame]

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    Not bad, for my first time with a router.
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  12. Who

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    I'm going to drop this here. MAJOR thanks to BCRGreg here on MLP
    http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/lut...52-les-paul-headstock-repair.html#post3214482

    This particular post of his had more to do with the planning I did for this fix that all the other sources on the internet COMBINED. I hope he doesn't mind, I'm going to quote the post here.

     
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  13. Who

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    Uhhhhhhh..... that doesn't look so good

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    The second cut is a bit better
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    I'm not going to be able to cut a piece of wood to fit this tightly, but I'm also not looking forward to trying to clean it up with the router.

    Yuck.
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    I know I will fail horribly if I try BCRGreg's "hand carve with a Dremel" tact. {{A man's got to know his limitations}} I'll try to clean it up with the HF router.

    Not horrible. The sides aren't parallel, but I think I can work with that.
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    The touch-up on the bass-side cut isn't the same depth as the first cut. It's true... "the first cut is the deepest". ;)

    I will try to touch that up by hand with a Dremel.

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    Turns out I'm not that steady with a Dremel (I knew that). But I did get the depth to one level. That is important to me, as I want as much solid contact with my splines as I can get. I know there will be gaps, and Titebond doesn't fill gaps with any strength.


    What follows is just some router-slot closeups. Click on the pis below if you're interested. I'm not sticking all of them in-line with the post.

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    hey i think it is fine...with those splines that neck should go no where, doent have to fit tight, just snug 'ish and you can probably get away with a few tiny gaps as the glue will fill in those spots.....keep rolling you got the hard part done

    some might not like spines but that bad of a break wtf else is your choice?...and for practice, it is perfect

    i think i would trust freehand on the dremel....next time,

    i think i would be more apt to stop if i felt i was takin out too much wood..(thats what she said):laugh2:

    it dont need purdy to be playable....
     
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    I'm thinking that when I'm done, i won't refinish the back of the neck.

    This isn't getting repaired to make it "like new again", it's getting repaired so I can play around with doing a repair.

    Leaving the splines showing might be the "look" that is best for this $30 guitar.
     
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    I know that the lighting in some of my pics makes it looks like there is a gap where I glued the headstock back on. As an example, look at the last pic I posted above.

    It's just the lighting. and the way the Titebond shrinks into the break. You can see below in the cross-section pics, it looks like I got good mating at the break-line.


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    The channel for the nut survived the router-depth misjudgement.

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    it will need some cleanup, but nothing horrible. Still on track for a successful glue-up.
     

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    I just went back and looked at this guy's video.



    Take a look at 0:53. On the bass side, he routed right through the face of the headstock.

    Maybe that was intentional, but then his spline sits in too deeply, and only goes less than a half-inch past the crack (0:55).

    I'll be following BCRgreg's advice to make the splines tall, and made them by hand for a snug fit.
     
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