R8 in a pawnshop - figured top?

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  1. 22tactical

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    On vacation and have been digging around in some pawn shops. Found this r8 (8 0435 serial). Owner says its a 1993 but i think it is a 2000. I am in the market for an r8 but he is asking $2999 for this one which seems a litte high. Has case but no papers.

    Is this a figured top? I know that makes them worth a bit more.
     

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    It may be a 2010 model as it appears it has the sharp corner inlays which didn’t appear until 2002.... prior to this they were rounded. I would say it’s over priced as these could be found for $2500 in mint condition with paper work.

    If they are rounded corner inlays then it is a 2000 model and I don’t believe they have a COA.
     
  3. Caretaker

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    Offer him what you are willing to pay.
    You`ll either get it or you won`t.
    Be prepared to walk away from it.
    Hit him with one offer and don`t go a penny more.
    If he sees you think about it, you`re done.
     
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    Also, show him you know what you are doing. Bring a screwdriver with you. Look at the pots and solder joints(pickups may not be original and can be a bargaining tool).
    At the very least they are missing covers.
     
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    I agree the pups are definitely not original... and could be used as a bargaining tool... $2000 to $2200 would be reasonable.
     
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    The pawn shop has no more than $1500 invested in that guitar (plus interest for the time the money has been out). So, you have a lot of room to negotiate. As was said above, they can take it or leave it. At $2,000, they are still making 33% in simple interest on the money out. If they took the guitar in six months ago, that is 66% interest.
     
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    Thanks everyone for the thoughts. I was going to throw $1700 out there and see where he comes back. Needs some action work as wellz
     

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    I think that's a 1998 Classic Plus Top. Those had the same serial font and the ABR bridge. While many had the snot green/yellow inlays, many did not (especially the plus tops). Classics had uncovered pups, but never double-creams but if they were swapped out it would explain why no pup covers.
     
  9. Caretaker

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    It will be stamped in the cavity what model it is.
    If it`s an R8 it will have a chunky neck. If it`s a classic, it will have a slim neck.
     
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    This. R8 necks in the 1990s and 2000s were huge, Classics were very slim.
     
  11. SASouth

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    That is not an R8. The serial number font is all wrong. It is a Classic.
     
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    Yup,.... not a Custom Shop Historic. Serial font is too large..... this deal is getting worse.....

    Need a good pic of the front of the headstock..... tuning machines are really wonky....
     
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    I can tell just from the shape of the burst pattern, it's a Classic.
     
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    Classic's came with double black.
    So it would be a Classic with swapped pups?
    Even lower value.

    That "deal" is turning sour.
    And the top is peculiar. The pattern of the grain is not very "standard".
    If you like it for yourself, fine. Not for resale.
    Value just went down again.

    Walk away?
     
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    So now maybe you offer $1500 after you point out everything that is wrong with it(based on them selling it as an R8)?
    You can confirm this to them by showing them the stamp in the cavity.
     
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    $1500 is too high for a Classic. Look up on eBay what some recent sales were on Classics.
     
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    I will be a real cynic:

    Pawn shops shouldn’t even exist in almost-2019. They exploit their clients, and I expect they exploit customers— worse than any normal retail model.

    Taste is a matter of taste, but I find nothing attractive about that guitar- especially if it was an R8- as it is priced.

    There are so many great used guitars out there. Why this? The pawn shop won’t really add value to the transaction, but they will surely take their cut- regardless what guitar it actually is.

    There are a million red flags here. I just don’t understand what makes this deal interesting.
     
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    A lot of the time pawn shops don't know what they have, so they just gravitate to the highest value they can justify and let the potential buyer work it out. Don't get taken. As others have commented, that's no R8.
     
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    Thanks to everyone for the education on this one. I am passing ... too many red flags. I always thought that if the serial number was 8 space #### it was an r8? The seller is not claiming it is that was just my assumption.
     

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