Question to 2017 Standard owners about truss rod

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  1. Andy California

    Andy California Senior Member

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    In this thread, one forum member made an assumption that the new 2017 Custom Shop Standard Les Pauls might have wood that's not dry enough and a tighter truss rod to compensate for that:

    Could owners of the 2017 CS Standards comment on that, given that they probably did truss rod adjustments?
     
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    rich85 Senior Member

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    Absolute load of rubbish. Using wood "not dry enough" equals a twisted neck and shrinkage problems as it dries, wear on tools, etc.......
     
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    I've heard that 2017 Standards CS are made out of mangrove wood and has chambers filled with Bonamassa farts.
     
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    They simply would never, ever use wood not dried properly. People dream stuff up, type it with 0 knowledge, then start rumours.
     
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    Rubbish.
     
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    .........we're in for some neck snapping fun in this Thread. :rofl: :rofl:

    :cheers2:
     
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    Actually twisting can happen before the guitar leaves the factory. As soon as full tension on the neck will cause noticeable warpage within a few hours or days. Truss rod adjustment will not help.
     
  8. PierM

    PierM Black & Gold Premium Member

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    So you are basically asking people to assume something speculating on top of an another assumption (BS)...and come to a conclusion about something that might be starting to happen several years after 2017....

    https://www.indy100.com/article/nostradamus-predictions-2017-astrology-7509551
     
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    I have 4 recent historics (2014-2017) and my 2017 "Standard" R7 has the most stable neck of the bunch. It literally stays in tune for days.

    Is it "brighter" or "snappier" than the others?... in fact it is, just slightly. However, there is a good reason for this. Just look at the position of the pickup routes on these new guitars. There's a slight gap at the fretboard and both the neck and bridge pickups are shifted closer to the bridge. This is mine...

    EDIT: This one weighs 8lb 1oz, has a .90->1.0 neck, and isn't neck heavy at all. I have also adjusted the truss rod and it doesn't feel any tighter than the rest of them.
     

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    It's cobblers, Andy. Just concentrate on finding the right one for you and never mind the bollocks.
     
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    I don't know who on earth was making that post, but that is honestly the biggest load of idiocy I think I've seen in a long time. Quite literally every assumption and opinion there is made from a position of mindless ignorance.
    It would be no joke to say that whichever that poster is, that they should be wholly ignored from now on.....
     
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    Come on Mr Randall let's give this guy a couple of more posts before we hang him by his nards:laugh2:. Sometimes a little information used poorly in a question can be harmful to those doing so.:D
     
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    I believe they are, although I might be mistaken. What I am rather more sure about is that moving the pickups bridgeward by a couple of millimeters will not have a detectable effect on tone.
     
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    Historically correct is that some have a gap and some don't, therefore both would be accurate. You should do a little research and you will discover that the original "bursts" were not spot on identical to each other, much less the pickups wound identical to each other, or the finish. Many attributes vary with these guitars so don't get hung up on the details, it's about what the instrument does for you that's important.
     
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    For the neck pickup, I agree. It's too far from the bridge to make any real difference.

    For the bridge pickup though, it's already pretty close to the anchor point and moving it closer has to decrease the amplitude a bit. I just took a look at mine and the gap is right at 1/8", and the saddle to pickup pole piece is 1 1/8" on the high E string. Without that gap the distance would be 1 1/4" (or 10/8ths). So, that gap at the fretboard reduces the distance from the bridge pickup to the bridge by about 10%. Is that enough to make it audible? I really don't know, but the amplitude has to decrease to 0 in just over an inch (at the saddle). It seems to me that a 10% reduction might be audible.

    I think it certainly has the potential to impact tone more than titebond vs hide glue.
     
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    The Nut to Poles distance is affecting the tone, since it's a different focus under the strings. Few millimeters are probably making a very very very minimal difference...Point is guitars are a complex mix of variables, so unless you don't A/B two conditions, on top of the same guitar, you will never know if the snap is because of the different pole focus (I don't think so), or because the nut and/or the bridge, has better and cleaner slots... or because of the strings, or whatever. :)

    If not measurable and replicable, it's unicorn science. :)
     
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    All this guitar stuff is Unicorny,.........is that a word?......it is now.:D
     
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    Adding to the gap vs no gap....there is as said variability. One of the reasons is that it is a fulcrum point between two planes on the guitar - you could have the ring flush at the bottom and not be able to avoid a gap at the top....and the way the guitar is put together was not with laser accuracy either.

    With a total in the double figures of burst clones that I have made and play regularly, even with the 'same' woods the final guitars sound different. Hell I've had 2 adjacent amazonian rosewood fretboard blanks sawn from the same billet tap different tones. You therefore cannot make the huge leap of attributing the overall tone merely to a tiny change.....
     
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    And it could be new strings.
    Have you measured the saddle - bridge pickup pole piece on your other three Historics? Are the measurements different between the 2017 and the earlier years?
     
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    This is interesting. I just did that... the 2017 is only slightly farther away from the saddle than the average on the others... two of them are 2/32 farther away, and the other is only 1/32. So, with my limited sample size the 2017 is definitely closer to the saddle, but by something slightly less than 2/32. That's less than half the gap between neck pickup ring and fretboard, so nowhere near the 10% difference based on the gap - more like 4%. Of course intonation settings are a little different on all of them too, but 4% isn't much, and I wouldn't think it would be audible.

    Maybe it is the strings...
     
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