Possible 58-59 Les Paul No Serial No.

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  1. RAG7890

    RAG7890 Premium Member

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    Yep, Gibson Logo is all wrong. The Heel looks unusual to me as well as a number of other things.

    Please take a an accurate pic of the Cavity with the Back Plate off. That would be interesting to see. Thanks.

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    Cool looking guitar :) I've nothing much to add beyond the comments already made- there's lots I don't like, and some details I do- cavity shots would be interesting as noted.
     
  3. Paulg2uk

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    Which back plate do you mean? Pickup switch? or pots?
     
  4. RAG7890

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    I'd do both but the main one is the Plate under the Pots.

    You'd also take pics of the underneath of the PU's & the PU routs.

    It all adds to the information re helping to identify your Guitar.

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    Pots. They usually have a date stamp you can use to guess the age of the instrument (or at least the age of the pots). It would also be great if you could pull one of the pickups (if you're comfortable doing that) and flip it over to see what they are.

    PS - I see RAG7890 types faster than I do! :laugh2:
     
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    What he means is, the neck joint appears to be set between the 16th and 17th frets, on the base side (the side with the pickup selector switch).

    In any event, there are a lot of iffy things about this guitar. And more detailed pics are needed. Specifically of the control (volume/tone) and even the pickup cavities, in order to make any further judgments. Btw, is the binding in the cutaway thick or thin?
     
  8. chasenblues

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    Inlays:hmm:


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    Right ok here ya go guys. Not much going on inside I'm afraid. The neck pickup has nothing on the back, the bridge pickup has "Patent Applied For" as you'd expect right? No serial no's or anything. I couldn't get the the bridge pickup out fully as the wire connecting to the pots is pretty tight.

    I should probably mention the pickup covers were not on when I got the guitar originally my dad ended up putting them back on. The neck pickup was a zebra PAF and the bridge was a white humbucker of some sort I reckon this was replaced at some point.

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  11. RAG7890

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    Neck Tenon looks way funky to me & the Cavity is not what I'd expect to see for a Vintage '58 / '59 Burst.

    Whatever this is, it certainly looks old in places.

    How long has this been in your Family & do you know where it came from?

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  12. RAG7890

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    Here is an original untouched / mint '58 Burst Cavity / Switch Shot for reference sake.

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  13. Paulg2uk

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    We've had it since 94'-95'. It belonged to a guy who owned a guitar store near me in Essex in the UK he used to teach before he owned a guitar shop. I remember seeing him play the guitar at gigs when I was say 13-14. He decided to sell it one day and my dad took him up on it.
     
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  14. RAG7890

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    Yep, + 1. When I saw this I thought whoa!. :shock: :shock: :shock:

    The gap, the glue, the color, the tenon shape lots of things wrong with this one.

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  15. RAG7890

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    Thanks for that. If you can get a hold of him I'd ask the question re the background to this one. While it is not a Burst, the background story is still cool IMHO. There were a number of people building replicas in England back then & also other Countries so who knows. :)

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    Sadly I'm not in contact with him anymore and haven't been for a few years now. He had a friend who I used to play with in a band funnily enough and he would deal in the vintage guitar stuff. And still does. I remember him coming in with one of Mark Knopfier's les paul back in the 90's and that was 30k then.

    Is it worth me telling you all who they thought this guitar belonged to?
     
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    I think you should all try and guess lol
     
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  20. chasenblues

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    Paul Stanley..[​IMG]
     
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