Peter Green-Gary Moore

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  1. Emerald

    Emerald Senior Member

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    Here is a collection of Peter Green/FM-Gary Moore English guitar magazine articles that I have collected over the years.
    Some very revealing information, especially from Gary Moore's perspective, about the Blues For Greeny CD and live show, which Peter attended!
    One shouldn't look at Peter Green as being a victim or a casualty of the psychedelic rock era. Sure he was spiked with LSD and yes he has some psychiatric issues, which can be adversely affected by them being medicated with LSD and such.
    Peter was a true pioneer of blues/rock music and not merely content to accept the status quo of the time. He had very valid reasons and concerns about the music business and his intentions to help people through his music has never wavered.
    Peter posses such a vital force of creativity and even within the blues format, he was able to express new ideas and ways of looking at life, that no one else was able to back then, with the exception of Hendrix and a few others.
    Gary Moore has been quite respectful towards Peter and his music and certainly carried on the rich tradition of emotive blues playing with Peter's guitar Greeny.
    The live show and CD of Blues For Greeny certainly demonstrated for me, the closest anyone has come to the spirit of Peter's playing and singing.
    Gary says in the interview that Peter accused him of copying the originals too closely, Gary pointed out respectfully that that was his intention, to try and offer versions true to the feeling of the originals, but with Gary's own touch added.
    And for the ad nauseum criticism oft atributed to Gary for his using too much gain, ect. No gain pedals to be found on Blues For Greeny, the right amount of Peter's beloved reverb, some period correct amplifiers and that magical guitar, with the elephantine neck, still quite difficult to play. Gary was still using his light top-heavy bottom set then, as this was prior to his hand injury, which necessitated him having to sell the guitar, to pay for a cancelled tour. And now this ridiculous 'controversary' over Gary's legally bought main '59 Stripe #9-2227, let's leave the poor bloke alone!
    Certainly during the initial jams with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker, Gary proved that he was able to channel vintage Clapton with relative ease!
    What a lot of people miss, is the great ability it takes to play like ones heroes, but not blatantly ripping them off.
    As far as Peter Green, "The End Of The Game" though it may be viewed as inoherent ramblings, was actuall quite a bold experiment in music fir Peter, post FM. Then Play On is still an iconic album..
    Enjoy the articles:
    Greeny pictures by davida54 - Photobucket
     
  2. Emiel

    Emiel Senior Member

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    I really want to thank you for all these gems. I have become a great fan of Green's work, he's not only a fantastic guitar player, to me his voice was one of the very best. You don't hear a great guitarist who can sing beautifully that often.

    Many thanks.

    Cheers,
    Emiel
     
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    +1 - his voice is important as his guitar work to me!!
     
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    Thanks Emerald, much appreciated. Plenty of bedtime reading there.

    If I get anywhere close to Peter Greens tone and touch on the guitar I would be a happy man, never mind his singing and songwriting!!!

    He really is untouchable.

    I haven't listened to Blues for Greeny, but will definately check it out. Garys voice never quite hits the mark for me, but will keep an open mind....
     
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    Nigel Tufnel's tech Senior Member

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    Really appreciate that Emerald, you dont have a photo of peter with his 59 without the neck pickup do you?
     
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    Thanks for posting that!
    I was shocked to read Greenie saying that he wouldn't play the blues anymore,and felt he was never good at it.
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  7. Emiel

    Emiel Senior Member

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    Have you guys seen this pic as well? The '59 Les Paul with the neck pickup facing the 'right way'.

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    Seems be to be early '66? Bluesbreakers era?
     
  8. Emerald

    Emerald Senior Member

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    Hey thanks for all the thanks, I am not going to mention the 'other' LP forum, or did I just...:lol::lol:
    There are some nice people there, I had to pay $30 to go 'backstage' because my Greeny threads were placed back there!!
    I have some great Gary Moore scans as well with rare articles, and tour programmes, ect. I'll list them in a different section.
    Recently my best friend told me of a original owner 1959 Les Paul flamey Burst, that he had worked on and that the owner had recently passed away. I mentioned this in a thread, being very reverential about being respectful of the deceased players family and that the guitar wasn't up for sale, ect. The player had a MySpace page still up which I listed in the post.
    What was cool was that the owner had a choice of either a plain Burst or a flamed Burst, the flamed one was slightly more. The store owner let him have the flamed one for the price of the unburst as the unburst had sold.
    My friend had worked on the guitar awhile back and had repaired where the owner had decided to try and place Grovers on this beauty, he only placed two and my friend talked him out of it and repaired the Grover damage.
    This may be one of the few one owner 1959 flamed Bursts out there and with all documentation, it having been sold in the same state and all tags, original case, ect....how rare is that.
    Well I mentioned this on the other LPF and my friend recieved a call from some guy in Chicago, asking if the guitar was for sale. My friend called me, he never calls me, I call him, and he was annoyed about my mentioning thie story he had told me. I pulled my post immediately, but apparently not before some ghoul had contacted this poor mans widow about the guitar. She called my friend and was naturally upset. He called me and was even more upset, so much so in fact that he dosen't want to talk with me for a long, long time.
    After being told about the 1958 Les Paul Goldtop that was bought by EJ and sold by him. I was first told by my friend about this two owner Goldtop that was going to be for sale at the 2008 Great American Guitar Show, summer Philly. I discretly posted photos I was sent on the LPF and tried to stir up some interest in this super clean original, untouched solder joints guitar, only tuner tips replaced with Uncle Lou's as the original few were crumbling.
    I got the ususal, lots like it's had a refret, ect. I knew that the guitar had all the provenance and was 100% original and untouched other than tuner tips, originals included. So after this pre-publicity I travelled from Phoenix to Maryland to visit my Mom and combine the show weekend with my good friend as his guest. The owner was an attorney, whom I personally didn't care for, he was actually a jerk, but that's another story..
    He wanted like $200K for the guitar which was crazy stupid money for the times. The guitar didn't sell at the show, and eventually was brokered by George Allseandro of Allesandro Amps to EJ, one of his clients for some silly money, like $135K or something, I could have gotten maybe $145-150K firm at the show, but the owner wanted the silly money.
    Then I saw the guitar on Ebay being sold by an Austin dealer after Eric had recorded some tracks with it ect, for slightly more than he paid for it.
    I stayed out of the threads here about this guitar as I was so disgusted with the whole experience of mixed emotions trying to sell someone else's guitar, with not even a meal, hot dog or anything provided by the owner.
    The excitement of carrying around such a rare guitar was outweighed by the overall pain in the ass that the experience was. Even my friend was sick and tired of the experience after three days of this impossible task.
    Pennsylvania has many rare guitars that have original owners and for such a large state, it has many small communities.
    Eric of Abalone Vintage has been at this game for a long time and I befriended him over the phone after a few conversations about Greeny, which I was not allowed to discuss over legal issues, ect.
    Eric is selling the Gary Moore 1958 Burst at the moment as has been well discussed here already I see. He has had his sale attacked by certain 'experts' that we all know who they are, about overspray issues, ect.
    I sort of enjoyed briefly the noteriety of being involved with unknown rare guitars that the 'professionals' didn't know about and wouldn't come across personally for a long, long time.
    The 1959 Burst I previously mentioned, may well be, well I know it is, one of the rarest flame tops with unparalled provenance, so in my eagerness to share this, I violated trust between my good, good friend and myself an it upset me deeply.
    The original Gibson that I owned was my one of two 1954 Les Paul Juniors, that I bought myself in Baltimore, to celebrate graduating nursing school.
    I was forced to sell a guitar to fix the transmission in my old Honda Civic while I lived in Tucson, on the verge of bankruptcy. I sold the Junior over the 1952/56 Goldtop conversion my friend built for me, it meant that much to me, and still does. That Junior was bought by the same lawyer who bought my altered '54 Junior, then years later I saw it on Ebay and the lawyer guy sold it to a Beverly Hills liposuction surgeon for $17K, which was big bucks for then, I had sold mine for $2500. On the LPF they couldn't believe a Junior went for that much, this was around 2005, it was such a great playing and sounding guitar though.
    I have a love hate relationship with the other forum and I know it isn't permitted to mention he other one, but I have read many derogatory mentions about MLPF from over there.
    Let me say I will primarily share my LP knowledge and news here with occasional posts over there.
    This whole Montrose/Moore Stripe 'issue' is a prime example of the hypocrisy that goes on, even the sharing of pics and rare info, is met with critical remarks there..blank them anyway.
    Thanks again for the support here, always found MLPF more of a real players forum anyway...thanks
    Emerald/yngwie308/Dave
     
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    Thanks a lot Dave! Green and Gary are two of my most favorite players, and it looks like a lot of meat in these articles.

    Sorry to hear about the drama in the gear biz.
     
  10. Emerald

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    You are most welcome gents.
    I will be digging moore GM and PG articles out for our perusal. I have been intriqued over the years with the Mattamp valve powered reverb unit. These are still being produced on a limited basis and it is one of the key components in the early PG holy grail of tones, prior to the band switching to Fender amps and their reverbs. The Mattamp uses the magical EF86 valve fpr its haunting beauty. A few years back I inquired at the factory if these rare units were still beeing produced and they said yes with a price quote!
    Here is a picture of Gary with the famous Stripe, right after he recieved it from the KGB operative who had intercepted it from Interpol...:lol::lol:
    Here are some familiar faces!!!
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    Who could forget thids iconic Les Paul/ Marshall combo:
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    Doc Vintage, who helped me wake up my magic '52/'56 LP Goltop from it's golden slump
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    Said golden child:
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    Dr. Vintage's beloved "Gibson" creation and pick up mule for testing:
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    Finally my Mattamp reverb pics, I was walking down memory lane as I found these pics, will post them next!
    Emerald:applause::wow::cool:
     
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    Here are the Mattamp reverb units and in the pre-Orange days they used the green Mattamps:
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    Emerald
     
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    Nigel Tufnel's tech Senior Member

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    I live about 6 miles from the Matamp factory Emerald, i think i will go over just to try one again in a few minutes :naughty:
     
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    What songs did they use the Orange Reverb Units on? I've read so much conflicting info...I thought they didn't like it and that's why they moved to Fender.
     
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    A co-worker turned me on to Peter Green/old Fleetwood Mac a few years ago, I still have a lot to learn so I really appreciate this thread.
     
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    Thanks Emerald and F those other guys if they don't want your contributions. We appreciate them here with no strings attached. I'm a big Peter Green/Gary Moore fan. All this relatively recent info that is being compiled and circulated is very interesting to us fans.
     
  16. Nigel Tufnel's tech

    Nigel Tufnel's tech Senior Member

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    Albatross was one,

    this is from the Matamp web site.

    The 20-watt Series 2000 was a key element of Peter Green's tone on many early recordings, however when Fleetwood Mac embarked on their first USA tour a more powerful design was needed to cope with the venues they were booked into. With little advance notice Mat designed and built several 100 watt heads using two KT88 power valves and two valve rectifiers, and travelled with Fleetwood Mac, to be on hand if any of his amps needed attention. The tour was a huge success - Matamp soon changed from aluminium to steel chassis to meet increased demand, and later the output doubled again to 200 watts using four KT88's and solid-state rectifiers

    In the early days Orange amps were basically Matamp, and not like now a totaly different maker.
     
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    Thanks once again for all the great information.

    I tried to do the Peter Green mod at my Les Paul yesterday but too bad I didn't even get the cover of the pickup... guess my solder iron wasn't hot enough. The guitar needs a checkup anyway so maybe I let a skilled person do the mod. I had it earlier on my Edwards Les Paul and the sound is just amazing for blues/bluesrock, it really lets your playing shine... or the totally opposide, as it somehow really gives you an extra push to put some emotion in your playing.

    To bad my Orange amp doesn't feature an effects loop or reverb... I would bought that reverb unit right away!
     
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    Nigel Tufnel's tech Senior Member

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    Thats no excuse to not to get one, Peter didn't have any effects loops when he used his :thumb:
     
  19. Emerald

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    Great to hear the appreciation for Peter Green / Fleetwood Mac, how powerful to this day all that music still is!
    Gary Moore has remained true to the blues, no matter what people say or think of him.
    I will remind all of the small Gary Moore fan forum Lord of The Strings the Hungarian based site. The long standing fans have hung in for many years there, even without Gary's participation. Gary has been very generous to fans, yet is a real person, as are we all, and at times speaks his mind no matter who hears it or where he may be, even at a gig!
    Blues For Greeny still remains a testament to Gary's unique ability to play in Peter's style, unparalleled in the guitar world still to this day.:applause:
    The switch to Fender amps by FM was brought on by all the American touring and maybe the Blues Jam at Chess sessions.
    I read that Mac's road manager at the time had struck a deal with the newly formed Orange/Mattamp shop to supply the group with these amps and fortunately the Mattamp reverb is an excellent circuit with the EF 86 valve as used in the superb AC 15.
    Emerald
     
  20. Emiel

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    He actually did... :)

    Take a look at these pictures...
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    These is exactly the same amp and echo unit... you'll notice that the amp features an echo effectsloop (send/return)
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    As mentioned before, the guys swapped their Oranges for Fender Dual Showman amps which have a build-in reverb so they ditched the Orange reverb units as well as the amps...
     

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