PAFs with FAT mids?

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  1. marshallplexi

    marshallplexi Junior Member

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    Hello all,

    I have a very nice LP replica here that I'm having a hard time finding the right pups for...

    The guitar is light (8lbs even!!, not chambered) and has a pretty good tone BUT it definitely lack some weight in the mids/low mids department.

    I've tried several sets so far: BK Mules and PGs, Area 59s PAFs, SD Bonamassa Skinnerburst PAFs and Wizz LTD vintage wire.

    All sounded pretty good... The Mules were good except for the A4 mags which I don't care for, especially in this guitar. The Bonamassa set is nice especially the neck pup, not thrilled with the bridge.
    The Wizz vintage wire set (first edition) with A2 mags (my preference) sounds the best in this particular guitar but the mids sound a little too thin to my ears.

    Anyone could recommend a PAF set with some rich/pronounced mids/low mids, tight-ish low end while preserving some good clarity in the top end?
     
  2. freefrog

    freefrog Senior Member

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    IME, mids/low mids are not the kind of frequencies enhanced by vintage voiced pickups.

    Now, with a vintage set like the Wizz, I'd simply use... a "vintage" cable. IOW, a cable exhibiting high capacitance, wether it is a long cable or a coiled one.
    EDIT: a high capacitance cable can be emulated just by adding a small capacitor (500pF to a few nanofarads) between the hot and ground of a standard cable, BTW.

    Reason: as any passive pickup forms a LRC filter once associated to pots and guitar cable, cable capacitance shifts down its "resonant peak" and enhances the mids once high enough. That's how guitar heroes obtained warm tones from bright P.A.F.'s, back in the days.

    Now, if you prefer to shift down the resonant frequencies towards the mids by other means, there's plenty of "hot" pickups ready to do the job, going from overwound P.A.F. replicas to models like the Duncan Custom (or the JB, well known for its "mid hump").

    Good luck in your quest...
     
  3. Zoobiedood

    Zoobiedood Senior Member

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    Well, if you use A2 magnets that provide those buttery mids, they do it at the expense of tight lows. I like the buttery mids, so I use Alnico II Pros. They are vintage output, but the mids are really musical and dynamic.
     
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    Pappy58 Senior Member

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    Still too many variables..Unknown body composition, Pot values, what amp are you using, etc... But I would probably go with the Whizz based on your post and attempt to fix any annoyances downstream.

    Nice Tweed amp with one of these: cd9758_72bdf835a9a9489fb22ea6ed2ca93c6a.jpg
     
  5. The_Nuge

    The_Nuge Senior Member

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    I've had great success with Electric City Pickups (RD59) and Tyson Tone Lab (can't remember which model I have) in my "difficult" R7BB.
    Both are members here, and you can talk to them directly for advice and custom options!
     
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    ntotoro Senior Member

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    I have a set of Rolph Pretender 58's in my Oxblood R4 and they definitely have a little thicker midrange without being honky. Really nice highs, but a nice bit of chunk, also.

    Nick
     
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    Dilver Senior Member

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    I just went through the pickup quest. I found the OX4s to be pretty mid-forward, but they were too middy in my R8. But OX4s typically use A4 magnets. I’ve come to realize that I don’t like bridge pickups with A4s.
     
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    moreles Senior Member

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    Sticking with reasonably-priced PUs, I can second the Duncan Alnico II Pros. They are great OUs, and in my setup have great mid presence -- not overpowering, but not scooped away.
     
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    mdubya Senior Member

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    Duane_the_tub Senior Member

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    I'd just swap out the magnet in the neck of the Wizz.
     
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    AbbeSauniere Senior Member

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    I have a Burny RSA semi that is very light and bright and can be a little anemic with pickups that sound bigger in other guitars. I replaced the Wizz, which had some serious upper mid and high end emphasis in that guitar with Throbak Pre-Ts. Lost of lower mid range grunt, but well balanced from lows to highs. More compressed sounding than most PAF style pickups. Harmonically rich too.

    WCR Good Woods might work as well. Had a set in a light and bright Burny SG. Really mid forward, just verging on honky, mellow highs and pretty taught low end.
     
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  12. Russ2

    Russ2 Senior Member

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    Here is my set of Woody's from Vaschenko. He hand carves the Bobbins of various woods. For this I chose Maple and Rosewood. Vaschenko worked as an engineer in the aerospace industry designing and installing electronics before building guitars (he apprenticed in his younger days with a Master violin maker). But you really cannot go wrong with Tyson Tone, tell Bobby him you want the '59's from the Flying-V and he will understand:

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    You may want to spend the money on a pedal like the Green Tone shown here:

     
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  13. guitarjoem

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    ^^This all day long^^
    I like the Sheptone AB Customs for this. A hotter PAF variant. (Full disclosure - I've bought a few sets and resell Sheptones, both the Tributes and the AB Customs as they are the ones I like.) To get your mid-boost, use a slightly hotter pickup, simulate it with a small capacitor, or use an EQ pedal.
     
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    Klein Epic Wicked Paf. That worked for in a similar case.
     
  15. arthurkandziora

    arthurkandziora Senior Member

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    I have a dimarzio 36th in the bridge of my Les Paul and that pickup has the best mids on any pickup barre none
     
  16. Blue Blood

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    WCR Godwoods
    BK Black Dogs
    Own/ owned both, very middy pickups.
    I prefer powerful, easier to dial down thru the guitar then dealing with it the other way around.
     
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    RAG7890 Premium Member

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    May I suggest the following & then go with the one you like best.

    Talk to James at ReWind.

    Talk to Mark at OX4.

    Get two Sets & try them out.

    Keep the one that suits the Guitar best. It is not uncommon to test several Sets of Vintage PAF’s or Boutique PAF’s until you find the right Set for a particular Guitar.

    Good luck.

    :cheers2:
     

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