Original 50's ABR vs R9 ABR Video

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  1. korus

    korus Senior Member

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    Greater diameter? Thinner?

    If you have '50s ABR-1, what is the thickness of the top of the '50s saddle? 1/16"? More than that?
     
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    The redder one is a 58, tea is 2018 R8
     
  3. MrWright

    MrWright Junior Member

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    do you think his videos are personally "enhanced"
     
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    Not saying that, but I never managed to replicate those A/B my side with such extremely high magnitude. Usually the differences are subtle, and very hard to isolate in the form of a constant, but he seems always getting huge differences between everything he compares.

    Again, not assuming here, I do enjoy those video. I'm just not 100% sure those tests are clears from errors. (100% my very personal opinion that means nothing really).
     
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    ok, understood Piers ...this is the only video I've watched out of his 10,000 +/-
     
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    Johan does have a Ph.D in mechanical engineering. Kinda bugs me that he never gives any opinion about why things sound different in these kinds of tests but then, in fairness, that clearly isn't the sentiment of his content.
     
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    Here's Bernie Marsden's '59 L.P. "The Beast". The saddles don't look as flat as the one's mentioned on the vintage L.P. in this thread but they do appear to be Brass. True? And if so what else is different about it?
     
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    Take a close look at his right hand position, particularly in the first pair of clips.
     
  9. zwiefldraader

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    Funny how different ears can percieve. To me, the 50s original is way brighter and articulate, with less bass - while the CS R9 sounds duller to me.
    But be careful. This might endanger some belivesystems. If the difference is that big, how Johan showed it, it might mean, the bridge and stoptail might be much more influencial than the WOOD. (Something I tend to believe for quite some time).

    Before we adress the different material, I guess the question should be how "anal" the modern ones are built. Maybe the tolerance in parts is higher now. You could even argue rust might have tightened the connections and screws on the old bridge, which might have a clearly audible effect (transfering more frequencies, less filtering).

    But for sure we should ask Johan if the strings with both bridges have been brand new.
     
  10. zwiefldraader

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    Wow first I did listen to the clip through smartphone speakers (better quality than my laptop) and then through cheapo laptom speakers and... it just turned around. The brighter one seemed darker on laptop an vice versa. We should take care of our audio system before deciding...
     
  11. zwiefldraader

    zwiefldraader Junior Member

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    btw. I am afraid if the vintage bridge is percieved brighter it´d be exactly why we´d rate vintage instruments superior - if warmer we´d praise that route, calling the modern ones thin and piercing. Perception is interpretation colored by preconceptions.
     
  12. treatb

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    the older ones were made with a different type of steel right or are they solid metal? the modern ones are chrome or nickel plated i believe. my r9's saddles have warn through a bit and you can see they are plated. are the vintage saddles plated? every little thing counts. what grind or grit did they edge the bottoms of the saddles with back then? it isn't just the thickness of the top of thesaddle that can add solidity to the tone. like those late 50's floated saddles in gibson acoustics, they killed tone. you need good connection, and those old bridges were probably all hand fit as well.
     
  13. zombiwoof

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    I'm pretty sure ABR-1 bridges have always been made of zinc/Zamac and not solid steel, except maybe some early prototypes.
    Al
     

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