Opinions on the les Paul lpj please

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  1. riffpowers

    riffpowers Member

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    I'm looking for a gigging guitar . There is a white les Paul lpj for sale locally .
    It's not a model I know much about ! What's the verdict on them ?!
     
  2. rjshare

    rjshare Senior Member

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    great guitars but dont pay silly money for them. they were $500/€/£ guitars new and had cheap looking plastic covered emg-style pickups.

    the wood is all good but the finish is satin - therefore fragile, so whilst they are a great starting point for a custom mod job, they aren't on a par with a studio.

    dont hesitate to buy one so long as the price is right.
     
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  3. Zungle

    Zungle Senior Member

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    Decent guitar, again decent.....multi-piece backs, ultra thin finish, mine had a poorly cut nut and mine has the stock vintage zebra pickups and they are upper mid heavy in the bridge and the neck pickup is pretty much shit, sitting in no-mans land.....IMO not super clean, to hot muddy for rhythm or lead work.....(with my crappy set up:))

    If I did it again I'd buy a similarly priced Agile....
     
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    Biddlin Senior Member

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    I love my '13 LPJ, very crunchy RnR guitar and mine has been a very reliable axe.
     
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    dspelman Senior Member

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    My personal opinion (you asked) is that the "J" stands for Junque.
    I would buy some other Gibson (assuming you have the budget) or some other guitar altogether (you'll get better value from other brands in that price range). If having "Gibson" on the headstock is what you really care about, buy and enjoy.
     
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    If you are strictly on a budget, then you can make this one work. But for a couple hundred more you can get a Studio.
     
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    Look for a 2014 LPJ, they have overall better pickups and hardware and Gibson logo than the 2013's. Of course that's only my opinion, to each their own!
     
  8. riffpowers

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    How do I tell the difference??
     
  9. Mowgli5555

    Mowgli5555 Senior Member

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    I have an SGJ.... Having owned quite a few SG Standards, 61RI's, Custom's, I would say they are solid for the price range.
    Mine was purchased for $300 USD, used.

    They are multi-piece, but since mine sounded clear throughout the fretboard, so I didn't care much.
    I have had guitars that 2 piece center matched, and still didn't sound very clear.

    The pick ups aren't really something I would rave about either, though.
    For some reason mine have a lot of hiss and unwanted noise, and they are connector type.

    The finish is a bit thin, but I bought mine really not to worry much about that.
    I have guitars in cases and closets, and it sure is nice to have a less expensive instrument always sitting about.

    Sorry I can't comment on the LPJ, but I play my SGJ more often than my 1962 Epiphone Wilshire, or my 59 replica. Josh

    Edit: Some SGJ's and LPJ's have laminated two piece fretboards. Mine has a solid one piece rosewood fretboard, so I couldnt really tell you when they switched to one piece fretboards.
    Double edit: My nut also sucks on the SGJ, I haven't changed it yet, but one day....
     
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  10. rjshare

    rjshare Senior Member

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    A rubbish nut is something that Gibson specialise in regardless of year or model. Don't discount a "j" because of it's nut - a 2000$ standard is just as likely to have a bad one.
     
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  11. GibsonKramer

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    Decent guitars, though last I saw. Grossly overpriced. I almost bought one new back in '14 for $450. 2 years later I went to grab one, and the used ones, were fetching over $700.

    No way.

    $450 for pristine, is max I'd pay. I wouldn't go $500.

    But, that's me.

    I owned a SGJ. Was a fine guitar. Neck dive, maple neck, drove me nuts.
     
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    I love mine. Know that they do not have a very durable finish, though.
     
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    I love mine too, although admittedly it's been modded to the teeth. Once you get the right pups and internals (and a new nut) you've got a gem. I took my time doing it too and that's kinda why I got it, to do a little at a time, when parts came around, when I could afford this or that, etc.
     
  14. Juan Wayne

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    The veredict will mostly depend on the mindset of the judge, so let me give you my experience with it for what it’s worth.

    First off, the info:

    - It’s a 2013 LPJ (no white ones came out on 2014). Looks and trivial cork-sniffing crap aside, it’s some of the best bang for the buck you’ll find. You’re in for a bare bones LP, all it needs to sound amazing is there, but pretty much nothing else.

    - Full thickness maple cap on a slightly thinner (1/4” maybe) mahogany body, made out of 4 or 5 pieces and with 9-hole relief. Chunky 50’s maple neck (not as chunky as a most Trads or some R8’s though, at least the ones I’ve played), regular thickness rosewood freatboard (one piece in all I’ve seen, but who cares if it sounds well).

    - 490/498 Pickup combo, but mounted on the cover instead of the backplate, so to get rid of it (which I strongly encourage) you must pull it off (it comes out easily, barely held by hot glue) and attach a regular backplate (around $2 investment, maybe?)

    - 500k audio pots all around, PCB mounted. Kluson tuners, Zamak bridge and tailpiece, supposed to be Corian nut, but mine it feels different than the ones I have. In fact, it’s cut better and is more stable than that of my Traditional.

    Now, I’m genuinely curious about what people really look for on a guitar. I keep reading about these cheap models being junk, about how many pieces there’s in the back (as if people didn’t already pay large sums for wood puzzles), it has this or that pickup… all this nitpicking, irrelevant shit on a budget guitar that’s supposed to be a gigging guitar.

    Play it and decide, mine turned out to be amazing, but the one I played before buying that one not so much. However, I’ve had the same experience with 4 times the money: so I didn’t take the weird feeling Trad home, I took the blow-my-brains-out-of-my-skull one home. Both the LPJ and Trad get pretty much the same play time and record time.

    Too many pieces? LPs are made out of many pieces, always have, most guitars are for that matter, so as long as they’re glued correctly…

    Bad cut nut? My LPJ had better nut work than the Trad, again, 4 times money difference, the LPJ is as stable as my Tele, I barely ever tune it.

    Pickups? They put the 490/498 on Customs as well for a reason, but listen to your ears, not your eyes freaking out about the black covers. And even then, that’s the first thing many people change (personally don’t like the 490/498, never have, 57’s were a great replacement).

    Finish? If you’re gigging it, you’re probably gonna bang it against stuff anyway. If there’s a thing where you can cut cost and not change the sound, is the finish. It’s the first thing you’ll damage on stage. It’s not a museum piece, it’s a tool, and a damn great one at it.

    Hey, extra points for the maple neck! Slightly brighter tone than hog and better tuning stability? Sounds exactly like the stuff you need on stage.
     
  15. frozenotter

    frozenotter Down with the Sickness

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    They used to be nice guitars but recent modern ones have been more or less reduced to "Sears" guitars. Especially with the near cork-board fretboards they use on them these days. My '98 Special is excellent Standard-like quality ....those days have gone bye bye though.
     
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    I'm not going to quote all of your post!

    Seriously though - a really good, objective reply from someone who knows what they are talking about.I have an sgj that i bought without electronics or pups and agree with everything you say.

    I think most people who make blanket "they are all junk" statements generally either judge quality by price or have ulterior motives.
     
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    Wtf are you talking about? The lpj was only made in 2013 and 2014!
     
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    More like every decade- on and off- except maybe the 70s.

    I'd buy a studio. I DID buy a used studio.
     
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    This happens every time anybody mentions "j" models. It is not an abbreviation of junior, it is a separate model simply called the "j". Google it...
     
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    dffdff for prez!!!!

    Can't comment on the topic as I have the 2014 version, but that's pretty much how I feel about these. Only default on mine are the sharp frets, but that's an easy fix.
     
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