@Mouse >>Anyone who told you that logic or philosophical methods are truth is moron. Nobody did, nor do I argue this. A whopping strawman, and not your first on this thread. @ jamman >>Funny thing about all this back and forth between you 2 guys is ,,, the only thing I've gotten from all of it ... Is A Headache ...... Me too. If you read Mouse closely, you will notice one thing is consistent: he is very careful never to respond substantively to anything that I say. He's also rather fond of misdirection.