Old vs New Bluesbreaker demo. With a slight twist.

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  1. rich85

    rich85 Senior Member

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    Just found this on youtube. Old vs new. Also new running through the old speakers. Really cool demo. Enjoy.

     

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    The new one sounds virtually identical to the old one, IMO. So, I'd buy the new one and have enough left over for a nice used R8 or R9. :dude:


    The tone in the video sounds great to me. :cheers2:
     
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    To me they sound completely different, but the difference is in the cab...
     
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    To me the 2017 speakers just need a lot more break in time and they'll sound pretty close. As of now it sounds a bit brighter. But when plugged to 67 speakers they sound quite similar. You can hear a difference but it's not that significant. Go with the new and spkr swap and you'll be pretty damn close.
     
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    See, I thought the opposite... Now I know why so many "new" BB re-issues on the used market. The original sounds way better in this vid.
     
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    The new one sounds good, but the old one has that magical element. I thought the new one sounded worse through the old cab.

    Personally, I would buy a clone over any Marshall reissue. I have played clones that sound more "real" than the real thing (mostly due to the original being old with drifting values and the owner being afraid to replace anything that might affect value).
     
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    I'd like to see someone do one of these comparison demos essentially lying through their teeth and the reveal at the end that the "new" was actually the "old" or the "tubes" were actually the "software" ... be interesting to see what that did to people's thoughts at the end.
     
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  8. wizard1183

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    I wonder what vintage tubes in the new would sound like?
     
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    The 1967 sounds warmer and fuzzier/buzzier to me. The 2017 sounds a bit punchier and meaner.

    I like how the 2017 one sounded better.
     
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    I agree.

    1967 for Blues, Sothern Rock, Classic Rock.
    2017 for Classic Rock, Harder Rock, Modern Rock.

    Either amp can do all above great I believe, just how I see it.
     
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  11. rich85

    rich85 Senior Member

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    I basically liked the older speakers. Wouldnt have a clue about what amp was driving them. I think he could have adjusted the eq and got the new even closer to the vintage amp.

    What does an original go for? I cant find any prices
     
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    The two combos sounded very similar to me when using the same vintage speakers.

    I spoke to someone in the UK a few years ago who paid £9,000 in a UK auction for a very well used original mid-60s' Bluesbreaker combo.

    This is my 50th Anniversary handwired Bluesbreaker combo with Celestion T-652 12" Alnico speakers... :)

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  13. C_Becker

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    I like this guy, he has some of the coolest gear demos on YT.

    That said, the old one sounds much warmer to me on overdrive like around 0:50.

    The newer one sounds brighter and harsher, even through the old speakers.

    Clean tones, they are pretty similar.
     
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    Old one sounds better to me.
    I am not sure my new 2016 1962hw will over drive like either of these amps without a pedal. Even maxed.
     
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    Why not? Wouldn't it be the same amp as that 2017?
     
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    New definitely brighter/louder to me, with the '67 sounding much warmer.

    If I didn't have a 1974X that I love, I'd take one of each.
     
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    I have a 1962 Reissue, marked 50W Tremelo on the rear panel. I liked it, but thought it could be improved. So a few years back I took it to my buddy Ben Fargen and asked what he could do. After several discussions he agreed to work on it. I got Gold Lion KT66's and new preamp tubes. Ben replaced the transformers with Mercuty Magnetics ones and tweaked the voicing (technical stuff over my head). This was the beginning of his "Hot Mods" modifications. It really improved the tone and especially the sustain, even at lower volumes.
     
  18. bulletproof

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    +1
     
  19. Gridlock

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    Same amp, just have not got the amp to really overdrive since I bought it new last November. I'll test this weekend maxed with my Les Paul and SG and let you know.
     
  20. rich85

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    Man I just want all his amps

     

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