New member with NGD Epiphone Les Paul Special II Goth Edition

Discussion in 'Epiphone Les Pauls' started by littlebadboy, Dec 27, 2017.

  1. littlebadboy

    littlebadboy Junior Member

    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    13
    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2017
    So... I've been GAS'ing for an LP type guitar, but all I have is $60 after selling my TC Electronics Sub n' Up. I was going to save it, but I found this interesting and rare Epiphone Les Paul Special II Goth on Facebook. Met up with the person at 7 degrees fahrenheit and shook our hands at $60!

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    It has a TUSQ nut
    [​IMG]

    I like how the neck feels. It is as chunky as my classic vibe tele. I like it with just a blank fretboard with inlays only on the 12th. It needs some setup work. The bridge tail piece looks complicated for me already. Haha! I might have to ask you guys about it when I get to it.

    I know it is a cheap ass guitar, but I am planning to mod it to my liking. My plan is...

    • First to go are the tuners, I am going to replace it with locking ones, also in black. Or, do I really need locking ones? What are affordable good ones?
    • Second to go will be the electronics, replacing the insides with better pots with a no-load tone pot.
    • Third, pickups will go. I will put in a power rails. I already like the single coil sized rail humbuckers on my tele, so I'm thinking that I'll love the full humbucker sized version! I'm also open to active ones if I find a good deal. Any suggestions?
    • Last, will be aesthetics. I want to keep the all black theme. The pick guard needs to go. In its place will be a black one of course.
    Now... I have to try it out plugged in.
     
    Who, bungle and no reason to cry like this.

  2. powerslide

    powerslide Senior Member

    Messages:
    167
    Likes Received:
    117
    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    I dig it, simple and sweet. Make it yours and enjoy it and HNGD!

    Oh and welcome to MLP!

    :welcome:
     
    littlebadboy likes this.

  3. littlebadboy

    littlebadboy Junior Member

    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    13
    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2017
    Shopped for locking tuners around. They're too expensive. China ones are cheap, but I had a bad experience with them.

    Any suggestions for nice but affordable regular tuners?
     

  4. scrumm21

    scrumm21 Silver Supporter

    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    1,263
    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2014
    Nice find ..and Welcome to MLP !
    Wilkinson 3x3 Deluxe Vintage Tuners Tuning Keys is what I put on my Epi LP Special I when I modded it - as well as 2 other epi's. They're drop in replacements. They worked fine. Not sure if they come in black tho.

    (I get the whole black-out vibe thing....tho I think a deep blood red pickguard would be sweet.)

     
    A1Coyote and littlebadboy like this.

  5. wildhawk1

    wildhawk1 Senior Member

    Messages:
    913
    Likes Received:
    1,584
    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2017
    Guitars have come and left but my Epi Special II is still with me.

    Way underrated. Like a Jr. but with two pickups. :cool:

    I'd have no shame gigging it.
     
    littlebadboy likes this.

  6. littlebadboy

    littlebadboy Junior Member

    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    13
    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2017
    Thank you powerslide, scrumm, and wildhawk!

    I think the tuners are okay. I'll focus on electronics.
     

  7. no reason to cry

    no reason to cry Junior Member

    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    30
    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2017
    Nice and simple!
    Enjoy it!
     

  8. littlebadboy

    littlebadboy Junior Member

    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    13
    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2017
    Dammit... I think its made of plywood!

    I opened the control cavity and saw that the wood is in layers that may indicate that it is plywood. I think I am not willing to spend any money for upgrading it. I would probably do electronics.
     

  9. no reason to cry

    no reason to cry Junior Member

    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    30
    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2017
    If you enjoy your guitar, play it and have fun!
    As you said it was not very expensive so don't worry about the woods.
    Don't get me wrong, i,too want to buy something as advertised.
    For example, if they say it is made of maple i want maple.
    But i've read in forums that Epiphone is using sometimes the asian wood that is similar lets say to maple,but still real wood.
    As for the upgrades ,my opinion is play the guitar for a while and then decide what you like and what you don't.
    Anyway don't get disappointed!
    Maybe you should post a picture of the cavity,so some people who have the knowledge of the woods in this forum maybe can help you
     

  10. powerslide

    powerslide Senior Member

    Messages:
    167
    Likes Received:
    117
    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012

  11. powerslide

    powerslide Senior Member

    Messages:
    167
    Likes Received:
    117
    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Not sure if this applies to your year/goth model but I suspect paruwi could give you a definitive answer either way. This was taken from the thread I linked above.
     
    littlebadboy likes this.

  12. Ronaldo

    Ronaldo Senior Member

    Messages:
    189
    Likes Received:
    134
    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2014
    Not sure if there is a difference between the Special I & II as they are similar in price and build with the exception that II is fitted buckers vs. p90’s my Special I has a solid mahogany body, at least that’s what the specs say.
    I don’t see layers in my cc.
    (?)
     

  13. littlebadboy

    littlebadboy Junior Member

    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    13
    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2017
    Perhaps... because mine is a Goth edition?

    Anyways... I decided to use Donlis pickups on this so it won't cost me much. What do you guys think of rail humbuckers in the bridge and a P90 in the neck, both with separate volume pots, no tone pot on this but I'll keep the switch? Or, should I just go rails on both?
     

  14. powerslide

    powerslide Senior Member

    Messages:
    167
    Likes Received:
    117
    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Pickups and wiring are an intensely personal decision around here, hard to know what others might prefer. I have an LP studio with Gibson P90s and I think they are fantastic in that guitar, had a telecaster with SD P90s and didn't really love them in that guitar.

    I'd say before you decide, try to find as many sound clips or demos you can with a similar guitar and similar amp to what you'll be using to get a decent idea before you buy.

    Might also wanna check the member classifieds here on MLP, can often find a great set of New or Used pickups for a good price from another MLP member.

    Hope this helps, good luck in your search.
     
    littlebadboy likes this.

  15. littlebadboy

    littlebadboy Junior Member

    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    13
    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2017
    Here's the demo on how the guitar sound stock on dirty and a short clean. Well... my grampa tele wanted to chugga too. So half of it is my tele. It has a clean sound too towards the end. The ending riff is both guitars. Epi goth on left, Squire CV on right, same tone settings on all.

    The track is really raw. I may have chosen the wrong dirt. I did the track in a jiffy in just an hour. Please excuse me for it. I'm redoing it for a final version. I'll probably do it in drop B.

    Enjoy!

    http://sclk.co/s852du
     
    Who likes this.

  16. A1Coyote

    A1Coyote Senior Member

    Messages:
    189
    Likes Received:
    140
    Joined:
    May 2, 2015
    If you search LP Special II tuners there are some good suggestions. Never used Wilkinson WJ-44-3B 3x3 Black Vintage Tuners, but they come in black. There is a version with oval/round buttons also in black.
     
    littlebadboy likes this.

  17. sasquatch

    sasquatch Premium Member

    Messages:
    1,754
    Likes Received:
    431
    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2008
    Ah,
    Aspirations of yesteryear.
    I had the P-90 TV yellow Special version
    [​IMG]
    never changed a thing about it :rolleyes:
    The memories don't leave from the experience.
    Enjoy!
     
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2018

  18. A1Coyote

    A1Coyote Senior Member

    Messages:
    189
    Likes Received:
    140
    Joined:
    May 2, 2015
    Post some photos for us when you upgrade your tuners, would you?
     

  19. littlebadboy

    littlebadboy Junior Member

    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    13
    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2017
    Figures that mine still works. I pursued changing the pups first. An order for Guitar Madness P94 for neck and high output rail humbuckers for bridge has been put in. I found a no load tone pot 500k in my parts box. I might put it in.
     

  20. littlebadboy

    littlebadboy Junior Member

    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    13
    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2017
    Serial number turned out:


    Guitar Info
    Your guitar was made at the
    Sae Jung Plant, China
    on May, 2004
    Production Number: 1499

    I have a 13 year old guitar!
     

Share This Page