Name of the Grain

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  1. delawaregold

    delawaregold _______Artie_______ Super Mod

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    The discussion of Rings, is really a discussion of Grain.
    It isn't fair to hijack the Flame Thread, so I started a Grain Thread.

    Quarter Sawn
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    Flat Sawn (Plain)
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    Rift Sawn
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    More to come.




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  2. Sct13

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    Thank you! :thumb:

    can you lay out how the grain and figure relate?
     
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    Wow, great thread. Thank you very much, very helpful!
     
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    Great thread, thanks !
     
  5. wild turkey

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    Is there any differences in tone between cuts
    Just curious because I have a flatsawn standard & its a tone monster

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    When a Tap Tone test is performed on a piece of lumber,
    there is a different tone produced when holding the wood
    and tapping across the grain, and holding the wood and
    tapping with the grain. I have not read that the cut affected
    tone, but the orientation of the grain to the finished piece
    may have a distinct difference. Here is where we need a
    few of our Luthiers to jump in.
    The cut of the wood will play a part with regard to stability.
    Especially in the smaller cuts, like the necks.
    Although Quarter Sawn wood is stiffer and more resistant
    to warping and cupping than Flat Sawn wood. It is also
    more resistant to Truss Rod adjustments. If you notice,
    Neck Blanks are sold both Quarter Sawn and Flat Sawn.
    I would suppose, just for that reason. I don’t know what
    difference it will make in a big slab of wood, like a body.






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    Thank you, Artie!!!!!

    Excellent info!!!!!
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    I love learning new things, Thanks!
     
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    IME, no. I believe most other builders would tend to say the same thing.

    Bruce Sexauer, a well respected acoustic guitar builder, brought this guitar to the Woodstock guitar show a few years ago, and although I personally didn't care for the Brazilian rosewood back aesthetically, the guitar sounded just as astonishingly good as Bruce's other Brazilian rosewood guitars.

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    Quartersawn wood is typically chosen for acoustic guitars as it is much more dimensionally stable than flat and rift sawn wood. while most necks (especially those of mahogany) are quartersawn, the grain orientation of an electric body is less imperative as a 1 3/4" slab of mahogany laminated with maple is much less likely to warp or cup than a .100" thick spruce top of an acoustic.
     
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    Wow!!!

    Rapunzel grain...

    Great piece of info too, thanx for posting. :thumb:
     
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    here is how the neck grains look like.
    in rift sawn is the grain in the neck straight and in the headstock across.
    in quarter sawn is the grain in neck and headstock all the way straight.

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    I wonder why Gibson would use BOTH rift and quarter sawn wood for necks. Why not go with one type and not change it up from guitar to guitar??? I'm sure the answer is that we can only speculate.
     
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    Gibson used what they had at hand and weren't all too picky in terms of wood selection. This is evident in their guitars from all eras: take this 39 J-35 for example. The back is a one piece and is flat sawn. Gibson used the one piece back to save time in the building procedure, and rather than use exceptionally large trees so they could get perfectly quartersawn one piece backs, they just used flatsawn wood.

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    Wow...looks like the storm on Jupiter.

    Very nice.
     
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    very interesting thread, Delawaregold, thanks for posting.

    It always gives me a hard time to imagine how the wood was orientated in the sawing process when I look a certain piece of cut wood. No I'm doing a bit better. Pictures stored as well
     
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    Thanks, guys, but too much like math and it really doesn't
    helps with the playing...
     
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    i don't think the type of sawing used will effect tone, but it will effect durability.
     
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    :facepalm:
     
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