Mystery Les Paul copy identification thread

Discussion in 'Other Single-Cuts' started by reborn old, Sep 18, 2014.

  1. ultexx

    ultexx Junior Member

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    Hey Guys,

    I'm still trying to get my hands on a Les Paul copy in the style of Randy Rhoads and I may have found one.
    But I'm not sure about the origin, it has no brand on the headstock, maybe you guys know something about it.
    The guitar is about 500€, i couldn't download the pictures so here is the Link
     
  2. PuroMojo

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    Was looking for a junk deal as I had some little cash on Jauce. Got this Samick.

    Can't find to much info on the net. Like Epi's, but for Korean market, right? Or Chinese? Bolt-on or set-neck? Year, 80's, 90's, 2000's? Model? There's a label behind headstock, someone has seen this?

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  3. CaptPostMod

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    Picked this little pawn shop beauty up for close to nothing the other day. It's got a gorgeous maple veneer, mahogany set medium tennon neck, thick mahogany body, and weighs 10 pounds and some change! Sounds really nice, though the electronics need to be completely replaced. Pretty much everything about it says it's a Hondo Revival from the early 80s. However, the headstock's been painted over with black (kind of sloppily) and, the mystery thickens, the headstock design is NOT Hondo. Kind of like the headstock design of 90s Korean Tokais but everything else about the guitar screams early 80s. Any ideas? I've got the headstock and the control and neck cavities and a bunch of other shots up here: Mystery LP Slideshow by CaptPostMod | Photobucket. Anyone know who was using a three hump headstock design on LP copies in the early 80s?
     
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  4. portablefrank

    portablefrank Senior Member

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    Evening all.

    I've picked up a Les Paul copy badged Angelica De-Luxe and wondered if anyone has any info on this brand? I've read online that it's possibly a Tombo but info is scarce. It's a bolt on with a neck plate stamped MIJ, I'll post further pics shortly.

    Cheers,

    Tom
     

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  5. SemenAltovich

    SemenAltovich Junior Member

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    guys,help to define LES PAUL
    Sensors and wires are not native
    the fingerboard is glued
    sorry for my English,I from Ukraine,Odessa
    China or Korea?))

    many thanks!!!)
     

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  6. chanter

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    First post- hoping someone can help me out...

    I just started playing guitar and found this at a garage sale recently.
    Need help identifying this, I cant find "Riviera" as a badge from any of the factories- I've read through many websites lists. I took it apart and could not find any markings other than the Made In Japan on the neck plate.

    Also, is it weird that this LP looks somewhat chambered?

    Any help is appreciated.
     

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  7. chanter

    chanter Junior Member

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    I just saw your post and that head stock looks very similar to mine- I cant find any info either. I noticed yours has the first fret close to the nut- same as mine. Interesting.
     
  8. jtbasketman

    jtbasketman Junior Member

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    I know this doesn't help identify the guitars, but the fret near to the nut is often called a 'zero fret'. Used by several manufacturers particularly in the 60's - 70's such as Framus of Bavaria, Eko of Italy, and Burns of London. Seems to solve most nut cutting problems and tends to improve the action.
     
  9. PermissionToLand

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    Self proclaimed Samick expert here! I don't claim to know everything about them but I've probably gathered more information than anyone else has bothered to about Korean guitars, haha.

    The red Cassa Rossa and black JustIn are possibly Cort made. All I know is they are most likely not Samick but most likely Korean.

    First of all, Samick sold guitars under it's own name worldwide. However, only the Japanese market got unique models, and this is a Japanese market model. For the most part, they were similar to Samick's other offerings, but of course, in Japan they could get away with direct copies. There may have been some better specs, possibly even laqcuer, but I've yet to find any conclusive evidence. The way that's cracked looks more like Poly to me.

    Should be set neck, essentially based on the early Epiphone Les Pauls (which are well regarded). I'd put it around 1990-1993 based on the Epiphone style TRC. It looks neglected, but with a good set-up it should be a solid Lester.

    What kind of label behind the HS? Edit: If you mean the one in the picture, it's the "Made in Korea" sticker put on all Samicks before they switched to ink stamping at some point in the '90s.

    The Hondo Revival I will have to think about and get back to.
     
  10. PermissionToLand

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    Okay, so at first I thought the HS may have been reshaped, but you can see it's the original paint on the back of the HS.

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    It's vaguely reminiscent of older Hondos' HSs (around '79-81 after the Ibanez lawsuit) like this:

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    Anyway, it's a variation of the Hondo 748 Deluxe Mark II. I know this because of the extra wide bridge I've only seen on Samick builds (yes, it's Korean! A lot of their best work has been wrongly credited to the Japanese), the fret-edge binding (nibs) and possibly real MOP inlays, the pots on a circuit board (unique to the top of the line Mark IIs), and the "pancake" body with Maple veneer and medium tenon construction. A few things thing I'm curious about, though, are whether the finish is lacquer (the wear I've seen on them suggests it is), and whether the thin Maple cap is one piece or has a typical paper thin veneer. I'm guessing it's one piece, otherwise it wouldn't be so thin. If you can help with either of those, I'd appreciate it.

    What variation though? As luck would have it, I stumbled across the exact guitar on Ebay recently. It's a Mako "Traditionals Series" TL-56. Samick bought a BUNCH of old Japanese brand names through the '80s, especially as Matsumoku was dying. It's my understanding Mako was a Matsumoku brand in the '70s. Shame the HS was defaced because it had a pretty neat and unique silkscreen unlike the Hondo 748:

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    That "baseball" inspection sticker is Samick's trademark, unfortunately easily and often removed.

    Beautiful guitar brother! Thanks for posting it and enjoy the hell out of it! I'm still waiting for the right one to fall in my lap (or their Mark II SG copy).
     
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  11. PermissionToLand

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    Oh, and I almost forgot, I'd put it around 1984-1986. Their serial numbers were also on a sticker, and I've yet to find a SINGLE Mark II (or similar) with the serial number still on it. I'm beginning to suspect they did not even put serials on them to avoid detection by Gibson. The only chance of finding a production date may lie in the switch cavity. Sometimes the switches had the production date ink-stamped on the side of them. If you could check that I would be very interested to know what you find!
     
  12. auriemma

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    Saw this on CL the other day (cheap... Really cheap) and picked it up. No Brand, just an inlay if butterfly. I was thinking 70s era Fuji, but no. This thing has a "MADE IN KOREA" sticker and 559-1410 sticker. It's a pancake body (not plywood), with a serious air gap between the body and the solid archtop. It actually plays half decent, but oddly sounds very Stratty on the bridge pup... I'm thinking Singles in a Humbucker body. She still needs serious cleaning and setup.

    Reminds me a whole lot of my Bradley.
    Let me know what you think or if you have any info on this old LP.

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  13. PermissionToLand

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    Cort. The HS shape, TRC and stickers suggest so.
     
  14. cliffenstein

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    Long time lurker, first time poster. I just landed an unbranded LPC that I believe to be from the 70's. Lots of photos below so that you guys can help me identify what I've got. I'm not trying to assess its resale value as I love this thing and plan to gig with it. In fact, I have a 1978 T-Top that will be going in it ASAP. I also have a Tone Pros bridge on the way and Sperzel locking tuners ready to go.

    As info for identifying purposes, the bulk of the body is made of just two layers of solid wood (which I believe to be Mahogany) glued together (aka Pancake body). The cap (which I also believe to be made of mahogany) is then glued on top of that.

    Any help identifying this thing as well as the pickups would be enormously appreciated.

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    (obviously, a nut replacement is in order and that bright white inlay is not original)

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    (note the super thick binding around the headstock)

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    (I had the seller switch out the original black plastics to cream and the original witch hat knobs to gold reflectors)

    The original knobs were like this:
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    (underneath original bridge...this bridge has nylon saddles)

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    (underneath original tailpiece...love it, it's staying...while it isn't a staytight tailpiece, it doesn't fall off as easily as many tailpieces do)

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    (the neck is incredibly stable, which surprised me for being a bolt on)

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    (no idea the k rating on these, they do all work, but I will be upgrading)

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    (I really hope someone knows what these pickups are, google search brought me nothing. Both the neck and the bridge pickup have the exact same identifying stamp, "WN 14014")

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    Any help anyone can give me with likely year of manufacture, probable brand (it looks very much like an Ibanez to me, but I'm unaware of them releasing any unbranded guitars) or builder and what those pickups are would be hugely appreciated.
     
  15. cliffenstein

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    After more research, I'm fairly certain this came from the same factory that built the Ibanez 2350 and Greco EG-480B...Fujigen Gakki. Both of those guitars from the same time period (1974 going by the date of the pickups) look identical to mine.
     
  16. JohnnyN

    JohnnyN Old School Premium Member

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    Sorry I can't help but apart from the volute and perhaps better choice of wood on yours, it reminds me of a Jedson I had. There was a thin maple neck and 7 3/4" fretboard radius on that.

    I find it odd that there is no brandname somewhere on/in it :hmm:
    Good luck and enjoy the guitar no matter what it may or may not turn out to be :)
     
  17. pearl2016

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    Hi all, I'm hoping the members here can help provide info on my unit here. I have been trying to do research, but can never find anything conclusive.

    See attached photos of the guitar I received in the early 80s (I'm struggling to remember if it was 1982, 1983, or so). It was meant as an incentive to encourage me to continue to learn to play guitar (it didn't work :( and has been sitting largely unused in it's case for 30+ years).

    I think the fact that my guitar lessons coincided with Saturday morning cartoon watching might have had something to do with it...:D

    Thanks for any info....
     

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  18. chasenblues

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    This Edwards 2007 Les Paul Custom puzzles me

    I can't correlate the feature set with any current or discontinued Edwards model

    Everything is allegedly stock except the volume/tone knobs

    Appears vintage white not Aloine

    No pick guard hole(s) or guard

    It subjectively feels a little lacquery but since id prefer it to be a LTC vs a CD I may be biased

    I received it in a trade

    Pictures in next post

    Thank you !
     

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