Murphy Aged True Historics

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  1. Schofnsteen

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    Are the “Murphy aged” Truely aged by Murphy himself or is it a label for inhouse aging? Is it now a process named after him?
     
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    Technically if Murphy Aged it is sent to TM for aging. You get his Signature & his initials under the Knobs near the Lower bout.

    Does he do them all or have several helpers, that is the question?

    I have always wondered because doing it by hand, by one person, does not fit the numbers.......IMHO.

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    He works fast .... IIRC . Still there are lots of them out there . Who knows these days . Now older TM's , should be all his work .
    The In-house Aging is not a TM branded Aging process as I understand it . He did teach them to do it , years ago , Now ? who knows , it may be the next gen of workers doing Aging .

    Get a nice guitar and HM it . IMO ,better Value ,better specs .
    IMO , Older Gibson's , even a few years old , appear to be a "better " buy then 99% of todays Gibson's .
     
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    At this point isn't "Murphy aged" now a trade name Gibson uses? I don't think Murphy could keepnthag kind of pace and still maintain QC. He may sign off on the work with his initials but he (if they were smart) have a qualified aging team under Tom who he coaches in his style. The initials are his sign off. At least that is what I think.
     
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    What are the numbers? Seeing the aging of some guitars, it may take 30-60 minutes per guitar. The most time consuming work assumingly is the neck, which is rarely as naked as the Montrose neck.
     
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    The numbers I refer to are the quantity of Guitars made every year with Murphy aging.

    I remember working it out once & it wasn’t possible to do that amount of Guitars in a Year via one man, being TM.

    It is not a 30 - 60 minute exercise.

    Same with the FCS when they do a run, like the 150 MB John English Strats in 12 months back in 2005. It’s just not possible.

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  7. markguitar

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    Rudi, He has only added his initials in the checking in recent years since there has been so much in-house aging done. Prior to that he never used the initials.
     
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    If it says TM aged and is signed on the COA by TM then it better be aged by TM or that constitutes fraud, IMO.
     
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    How do I see the TM initials please? Blind as a bat maybe and looking in the wrong spot...
     
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    That looks like a skinny ass and a fat ass bending over.


    :D
     
  12. marksoundguitars

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    Maybe Murphy doesn't exist and it's all AI-programmed CNC. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. :lol:
     
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    Thanks for that Mark, makes sense to me. :thumb:

    The thing that always spun me out about the number was how many TM's there were in 2007..........quite a lot. If you crunched the numbers he was working flat out all year & that still wouldn't account for the production numbers. He surely can't do that process in an hour.

    The 2005 John English Faded Sonic Blue Light Relic '59 was a run on 100 MB & 100 TB. I made a mistake & said 150 but it was 100. I had JE044 & JE012. If John (RIP) had made all 100, by hand, from scratch in 2005 then he pumped out a finished Guitar every 3 - 4 days. It is just not possible................I know the background to what they were doing (long story) & it is certainly misleading the buying public.

    Same goes for Gibson IMHO.

    Cheers, Rudi
     
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    Imo, if a COA does not mention that Tom Murphy did the 'aging' then he did not do it...or he did not 'age' all of it himself anyway.

    In 2009, when the Pearly Gates run was released, a guy on the other forum bought an Aged Pearly...he questioned Gibson about why Tom Murphy was not mentioned on the COA and he asked for a letter from Tom Murphy or Gibson confirming that Tom Murphy did the 'aging'...well, he got no confirmation at-all and so he returned the guitar to his dealer for a full refund and got it. :hmm:

    Interestingly, with the Marshall 50th Anniversary R7 Aged Goldtop run in 2012 (there were only 50 built), Tom Murphy was mentioned on the COA?!

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    All of my TM Aged Historics from 2007 had TM's signature on the Certificates.

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    I can't see TM anything here so somebody please take a red crayon to these pics and shed the light...

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    Directly under 5 & 6 on the Knob is a T & an M.

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    Thank you - Couldn't see the "T" to save my life...
     
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    What's to stop someone with a factory aged Historic LP from getting a razor blade and adding a TM to their guitar? :dunno:


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