Muffs. Talk to me. Ask me anything. I play them a lot.

Discussion in 'Pedals' started by snaredrum, May 6, 2016.

  1. Batman

    Batman Senior Member

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    I run my JC basically the same but with the treble rolled off to about 11 o'clock.

    I'm on the road currently for work so I don't have the JMP-1 settings handy but will post them here when I get home.

    Short version is that a nice warm clean tone gives you a very immediate and present muff tone that doesn't have much sag. If you run it into a crunchy setting on the JMP, you get more of a high gain distortion tone with some nice sag. Both are very musically useful.
     
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  2. northernguitarguy

    northernguitarguy SWeAT hOg

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    Does a MUFF sound good based on the quality of the clean tone? Mine sounds glorious on my VOX, but like total a$$ on my Orange.
     
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  3. Batman

    Batman Senior Member

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    In part yes and in part it also depends on the voicing of the Muff itself. Like Snare, I've dabbled with a fair few variants and I far prefer the mid-seventies Ram's Head era over the current USA reissues or the Sovtec era. I like some definition and presence with my high gain.

    The best sound I've gotten is straight into the JC120. It's pure clean and zero sag so its crisp, immediate and monstrous sounding.
     
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  4. Batman

    Batman Senior Member

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    The version I'm running is a direct (measured values) clone of Snare's 1976 Big Muff.

    It's the best I've heard so far. . .
     
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  5. FUS44

    FUS44 Senior Member

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    I use the low input of my JC's with everything at six, with the bright switch on. Muff is dimed.
     
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  6. Quill

    Quill Senior Member

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    That's awesome. I've picked up that you have some serious experience with this stuff and know a few tricks ... so I have to ask, if you don't mind: HOW did you get those values? Did it involve removing the components from the pcb (assuming a '70s BM has a pcb - it must), and then reinstalling them? Very curious.
     
  7. snaredrum

    snaredrum V.I.P. Member

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    i bought an early V3 muff for a great price on eBay UK that turned out to basically be a transition period muff - roughly '76. BC239 transistors, some odd component values.

    Anyway, I sent it to robby - BuGGFX - and he's cloned it. In fact, my incoming new pedal is all of the original components but in a cool enclosure with my personal tweaks. NPD thread when it gets here!
     
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  8. Batman

    Batman Senior Member

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    Mine was made after BuGG pulled and measured Snare's.

    Mine only has two knobs (volume and tone) as the sustain is set to maximum. There is an internal trim pot to tweak the sustain but I've left it dimed. The footswitch is not an on/off as mine is always in a loop of my switcher; it controls a volume bypass. In the normal position, the volume control on the pedal is active and allows me to set my rhythm level. In bypass, this volume is bypassed and I get full volume for lead or for just making more noise. Two colour LED. . .green for normal and purple for bypass.

    I'll post pictures when I get home from my week on the road. . .
     
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  9. Spiteface

    Spiteface Senior Member

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    Thoughts on these?

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    I'm intrigued about this. A lot of bands I like that use Muffs tend to use different flavours of Muff, so this seems like a good "all in one" thing.

    Failing that, what are some good clones of:

    IC Muff (Smashing Pumpkins)
    Ram's Head (Dinosaur Jr)
    Green Russian (Sonic Youth)

    That I could be looking at? Although I hear the newer Deluxe Big Muff is really tweakable, with almost every Muff tone available and it isn't crazily priced...

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    Anyone play one of these?
     
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  10. kboman

    kboman Senior Member

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    I'd get one that's really good at what it does rather than "meh" at many.

    Check out Stomp Under Foot, Wren & Cuff and Tym Guitars!
     
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    FUS44 Senior Member

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    I've gotta have one of them thar Deluxe Big Muffs.
     
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    One thing i have found true... no one muff does multiple.muff tones without sacrificing something in the sound... dedicated circuits for a certain era have alot more of the good stuff... IMHO
     
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  13. Batman

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    BuGGFx (Member BuGG here at MLP) for the IC Muff and the Ram's Head.

    Stomp Under Foot for the Rams Head.

    I'm not a fan of the Russian Muffs so I've not played any clones.

    Also, keep an eye on eBay for vintage EHX Muffs from the era's you mentioned; occasionally you find deals that are less expensive than the clones.
     
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    The Russian-style Muff from Jam Pedals (Red Muck) is absolutely fantastic too.
     
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    Agree with that, it made me sell my eh muff faster than light.
    I'm in a "no muff" phase now, but this thread is pokin me.
     
  16. FUS44

    FUS44 Senior Member

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    Pipe down and let me waste my money. :laugh2:

    You're probably right though.......
     
  17. Kris Ford

    Kris Ford Senior Member

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    I actually returned TWO SUF , the Rams head and Pumpkin Pi, because a LOWLY V9 (-A circuit) wiped the floor with both of 'em..and both seemed to have a middy, NASAL quality that wasn't very "muff"-ish...

    Maybe it's just the one I got, and the amp I use it in, a '75 ORANGE OR120, but so far, boutique has let me down..so I have NO reason to search further..or waste any more $$$.
    In fact, I put my RAT before it and THAT sound is ridiculous..:headbanger:
    If there's a RAT driven MUFF out there, I MIGHT want to check it out.:hmm:
     
  18. kboman

    kboman Senior Member

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    Could be a combo of a mids-heavy amp and a really scooped Muff (v9)?
     
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  19. Kris Ford

    Kris Ford Senior Member

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    Could be! :hmm:
     
  20. snaredrum

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    certainly sounds that way - Orange amps have such a beefy midrange thing going on, so the older style SUFs may push it into 'not fun' territory. As K says though, the modern muff is soveryvery scooped
     
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