Mr. Epiphone, Epoxy is good for boats but not for guitars!!!

Discussion in 'Epiphone Les Pauls' started by Axomann, Dec 3, 2014.

  1. Axomann

    Axomann Senior Member

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    Hello!

    I would like to show you how bad Mr. Epiphone are finishing their guitars. This is an Epiphone Les Paul Custom Limited Edition - Custom Shop. Yes Custom Shop :hmm: if they are finishing the guitars in this way at the Custom Shop, I don’t want to know what they are doing with the standard models :hmm:

    The guitar is well constructed and also the scale is the Gibson 24” 3/4 which was measured with my Stewmac fret scale rule. The body is chambered and here I must also say it was well done and they done a good job with it. The top is real mahogany this is very positive. But take a look at these pictures. What they have done here is unbelievable! The guitar has more than 2 mm thick Polyurethane and this is not all. The work on the top is not from this earth, it is horrible :eek: . The guitar sound was really encapsulated and a really bad tone and now I understand why.

    Mr. Epiphone, Epoxy is a very good material for boats, cars, motorcycles, but not for Guitars!! :facepalm:
    I would like to show you how you should finish your guitars :dude:


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    Yeah! Now I have a Les Paul Custom with a Mahogany Top :dude:

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    Step Nr. 2: The back :slash:

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  2. Unsung Heroes

    Unsung Heroes MLP Vendor

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    Great work there - you're doing a fine job with your guitar [​IMG]

    I have to say that the polycoat and epoxy don't bother me one bit. My Les Paul sounds, feels and plays great [​IMG]

    Oddly enough, not one person in the last hundred or so gigs that I've done with it has ever passed comment on how my guitar sounds encapsulated either, but maybe they are too busy having a great time! [​IMG]

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  3. paruwi

    paruwi Kraut-Rocker Super Mod Premium Member

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    :hmm:

    ...there is no real customshop at any Epi factory
    ...Epis usually aren't chambered

    can we have some pics before you stripped it ?
     
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  4. stratkat

    stratkat Senior Member

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    There's a reason Mr. Epiphone doesn't finish guitars the way you do...he'd have to charge a lot more money for them. :lol:
     
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  5. Axomann

    Axomann Senior Member

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    It is an original Epiphone. It was made in Korea in 2007. In the pictures it has a Gotoh bridge and Tailpice. I have also the bill of the shop where I bought it.
    Yes. You can. Take a look here:

    Picasa Epiphone Les Paul Custom - Midnight
     
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  6. Axomann

    Axomann Senior Member

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    Hey Thank you! :dude:

    Or maybe they didn't hear your guitar without the poly coat ;-)
     
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  7. Walt_T

    Walt_T Senior Member

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    Please describe "encapsulated".
    My '00 rings like a bell all day long.
    I don't gig anymore, but do open mic jams whenever I can. When I put down the Tele and pick up the Epi to play through my modded SFPR, I get "Wow, that's an Epiphone?".
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    No tone issues with mine.
     
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  8. paruwi

    paruwi Kraut-Rocker Super Mod Premium Member

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    I have an Epi LP from the same factory, just one year younger...
    it has similar routings.....though it is an Ultra-II :naughty:

    So my guess is.....:hmm:

    the body was routed for being an Ultra/Ultra-II
    and it ended up as a 'LP-Midnight Custom'

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  9. Axomann

    Axomann Senior Member

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    Sorry I cannot describe it, I have heard it.

    By the way. How do you know that your guitar is sounding good? Did you heard it without the poly coat?

    PRS had finishing their guitar with Polyurethane, I have also one, but it is not 2mm thick like the guitar in these pictures.

    I don´t know maybe you have had more luck with yours ;-)
     
  10. Axomann

    Axomann Senior Member

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    It could be. Maybe this explains why this Custom has the maple veneer.
     
  11. Left Paw

    Left Paw Senior Member

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    Really ? They have to cut the cost out somewhere and finishing properly takes a lot of handwork, as you discovered. I think for the money Epis are a screaming deal - epoxy or not.
     
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  12. paruwi

    paruwi Kraut-Rocker Super Mod Premium Member

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    The new ones do have maple veneer under the black finish, too
     
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  13. Axomann

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    Ok. Then they use the veneer, becouse it is easily to finish. The Mahogany takes a lot of work.
     
  14. paruwi

    paruwi Kraut-Rocker Super Mod Premium Member

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    Epi doesn't tell why they do it....

    a veneered one can end as a 'solid color' Epi - just not vice versa....
    maybe that's the reason,

    IIRC we've seen stripped Zakk Wylde Bullseye Customs with overpainted veneer-tops...
     
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  15. TheX

    TheX Voice of Reason

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    Custom Shop is just a sticker for Epi. *shrugs* Do you really expect more for the money?
     
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  16. Walt_T

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    Axo, my guitar's poly finish is nowhere near 2mm thick maybe .5mm at best.
    I'd have to scrape away at it to measure, but I find it hard to believe any are that thick. I think one would observe a glassy shell appearance from a finish that thick.
    Best way IMO is to look when you have the cavities open, one can see how thick it is.
     
  17. paruwi

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    Pretty thin isn't it.
     
  19. Dolebludger

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    I may be a weirdo, but I prefer guitars with a THIN poly finish over lacquer. And I have read that a THICK lacquer finish hurts tone more than a thick poly (though i don't personally know this). What I do know is that lacquer gets "spider web" cracks in the finish over time. Some like this, but I don't. Poly will never do this.

    Conversely, I don't like the "dipped in plastic" look or sound. Perhaps the deadening of primary tone is just "in my head", but I don't like a thick finish, period.
     
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  20. rockstar232007

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    Oh, believe me, they can be that thick.

    The finish on my '02 MIC Epi LP Standard Plus is about 2mm. Found that out the hard way, when I filed down the finish around the body binding. It was so thick, it caused the binding to look paper thin. Once most of it was removed, the binding looked normal.

    Here's a shot of the edge showing the end result:

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    See that thin line between the binding and the top, that looks like wood? That's actually the side of the finish. Thankfully, it's not as noticeable in person.
     

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