More ammo for the tone wood debate

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  1. TheX

    TheX Voice of Reason

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    My Teles sound like Teles, strats like strats, etc. That said, my Teles sound different from each other. I have ash, alder, mystery meat...they just sound different. Maple neck, rosewood board...just different. I'm not sure why I'm replying since this thread is nothing but a collection of opinions.

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  2. redjunior

    redjunior Senior Member

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    Mebbe I should put the circuitboard back in my LP........:naughty:

    But it does sound better handwired.........:cool2:



    and top wrapped.....
     
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  3. MikeyTheCat

    MikeyTheCat Senior Member

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    Metal Zone: The Great Emancipator. All guitars are equal.
     
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  4. TheX

    TheX Voice of Reason

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    That would be true.
     
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    Malikon アストロモンスター V.I.P. Member

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    the MT-2?

    Damn that pedal gets no love. I like it, it has a built in EQ.

    The secret is keeping the Dist knob on like 2,...not 10,..(everyone seems to dime the dist knob. That's a ridiculous unholy un-needed amount of gain.)

    ..built in 4 band EQ. That's sweet. :dude:

    I love OD and Dist. I have 1 Dist, 2 OD, 1 hand-wired RAT, and 2 Fuzz (one is Bling Fuzz :thumb: ). I'm not a pedal junkie,..but I'm a gain junkie. The vast majority of my pedals are gain pedals.

    ...and there's still a few more I'd like to get. :laugh2:
     
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    I'll give the guy in the video credit for attempting to test this, but there's just too many uncontrolled variables for it to be meaningful. Even if there were a difference in an absolute, indisputable way, is it due to the type of wood, or just the characteristics of those pieces.

    My guess, sure wood matters to some degree, just as 2-dozon other things do. There's no disputing it matters with acoustic guitars. But for solid body electric guitars, I have heard it said that the neck wood plays a larger role. This makes sense as there's roughly 2X more neck involved than body length between the ends of the strings. And the body of a solid body guitar is much more massive than the neck.

    But like many of the details affecting tone, any one can easily be eclipsed by some other thing. Turn your head slightly, move a bit relative to your amp, grip your pick different, use a different pick, pick guard on or off (just kidding). Point is, like all these other things, it doesn't matter that much and the time spent obsessing about these details would be better spent learning to play better. Or as I saw in a recent thread, learn to play better and suck less.
     
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    Ermghoti Senior Member

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    In a Harrison Bergeron kind of way, yes.
     
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    When I removed the 8-hole pickguard from my Tele and replaced it with s 5-hole, I mounted the neck pickup to the wood (no pickup mounting holes), without the rubber tube thingies. I can't hear a difference in tone, but I don't remember the exact tone, anyway. it still sounds good to me.
     
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    This Fender Senior Master Luthier reckons, in his experience, that the wood of the guitar can make up to 80% of the sound of the guitar.

    I agree.

    But was he bribed to say that? If that makes it easier in your world, then yes, go with that..


     
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    I could agree, but I have also seen the right hardware on a crappy piece of wood sound really good as well.
     
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    TheX Voice of Reason

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    80% is hilarious. Some? IMHO absolutely...80%?...LOL.
     
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    [​IMG]

    :shock:

    :D
     
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    For the sake of balance - the leader of the Opposition: Working class hero Will. Just like Polit*cs..
    I'm going with 80% guy..

     
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  14. TheX

    TheX Voice of Reason

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    Will, IMHO is a freakin' idiot.
     
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    I've never seen Will's vids before, and he might be an idiot ('cause I'm not an expert in anything) but he's an entertaining idiot at the very least.
     
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    ehb Chief Discombobulator Premium Member

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    Some folks are Ninja Level in Idioting...

    :cool:
     
  17. Thermionik

    Thermionik Not Fade Away Premium Member

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    He then throws the entire thing out of the window, baby, bathwater and everything in the darned bathroom along with it, by saying:-

    You can't really measure these things, it's more of an intuitive thing

    I suggest anyone really interested Googles timber resonance and reads some of the books, publications, dissertations and papers that come up... you can measure a quark, a photon, an electron. Measuring vibrating things is so doable that his comment made me laugh out loud.

    This is the thread that keeps on giving... :acoustic::band:
     
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    I'm sure he meant, 'as a luthier, combining a body blank with a neck to provide the most harmonious balance can't be measured, more intuitive'.

    You remind me of those Spin Doctors! Nice try though.

    This thread, however, has the potential for so much more :naughty:
     
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    ehb Chief Discombobulator Premium Member

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    I could watch waveforms all day....
     
  20. Bill Hicklin

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    Luthiers can be some of the worst snake oil peddlers around.
     
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