More ammo for the tone wood debate

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  1. JCM900MkIII

    JCM900MkIII Senior Member

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    Listen to The Melvins.
    http://www.electricalguitarcompany.com/

    Doing some live work:


    If I had another €3000 just laying around for guitar purchases, it would be one of these.
     
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    Dolebludger Premium Member

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    Well, this was a band playing music I don't understand, with a tone I don't understand, through cheap computer speakers. From what I could hear, these guitars are not for me. But I'd have to get one in my hands and play it through my own amp to know. No chance for that, I'm sure.
     
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  3. Thermionik

    Thermionik Not Fade Away Premium Member

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    With you 100% on that.
    I did play one of those (Travis Bean) ally neck-through "1000S" many moons ago in the late 1970's. Tried it through a pal's old plexi, my (then) H||H and direct to the desk. In cold blighty, the neck always felt hard, cold and clinical and the tone seemed similar compared to some wooden guitars at the same venue.
    As an engineer it appealed immensly, as a player, a lot less so.
    It looked a lot like this one (at 12th-Fret...)
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    But a lot of folk played them from Keef & Ronnie, through Garcia to Greg Lake, so they must have had some considerable merit beyond rarity. I just recall sustain and brightness. And then...
    There's Veleno guitars...
     
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    Thermionik Not Fade Away Premium Member

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    The louder the sound, the more the air vibrates, the more the guitar can resonate. It's one of my beefs about simulating amps at household volumes - it HAS to fail, because the part of the loop concerned (speaker -to- air -to- guitar body) is missing - sure, you can emulate the tonal qualities (roll-offs, resonant peaks, humps, scoops - whatever...) but that ol' geetar will not "come alive" in your hands unless there is sufficient energy going around to pass the vibes from the cone to the body. And when it DOES - you will learn just how your guitar resonates...
     
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    freebyrd 69 Premium Member

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    It's not just you. Most quality amps give better sound and sustain when cranked. That has nothing to do with the wood.
     
  6. TheX

    TheX Voice of Reason

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    You are correct, that's an Adamas.
     
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    ehb Chief Discombobulator Premium Member

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    Every amp has a sweet spot.

    Bedroom volume ain't it...
     
  8. filtersweep

    filtersweep Senior Member

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    Yeah- I have three Teles- sold two previously. One sounds MUCH better than all the others. Of course the pickups are different, and it has an old school bridge. I'd love to know WHY it is superior....
     
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    ehb Chief Discombobulator Premium Member

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    Sooooooooo, if I am in the studio, a DR in a closed booth on 10, it's gonna suck since I'm playing from the control room?

    Bullshit.

    :cool:
     
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  10. ehb

    ehb Chief Discombobulator Premium Member

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    I just loved it when the 900dB kick drum came through my Marshall...

    Wait, my 4x12 was walled and 57'd...

    Other guitarist too...

    Stage was actually low static volume... We could talk easily. We were behind the mains walls....

    Hmmmm.... I guess we just didn't know our tones sucked because we weren't bombarded by volume directly on the guitar body.

    If I had spun in place I woulda sounded like a 122/147, huh?

    Don't move around on stage, you'll sound like a Small Stone...


    :cool:
     
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    Thermionik Not Fade Away Premium Member

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    Don't recall anyone saying that - reductio ad absurdum is beneath you.
    My suggestion was merely that, until there is some energy imparted to the guitar's resonant parts by the air being moved by the speaker, the resonant effects will be noticeably less. Not that it will "suck", merely that the wood and other resonant parts will have a lesser contribution to the overall tone, a contribution which will change as the energy going round that loop increases. Personally, it's a good place to be when playing because the whole shebang comes alive, and you have to learn to respect that ol' geetar and control her with your hands and body...
    When playing these days, at home for the most part, I tend to sit very near the 4x12, so there is some vestige of that feed-around involved.
    Sad, but hey... do I give a cattle? No siree, I do NOT :acoustic:
     
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    ehb Chief Discombobulator Premium Member

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    ehb Chief Discombobulator Premium Member

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    Nik, I am ninja level at absurdity.... :cool:
     
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    We can't stop here.... This is bat country...:cool2:
     
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    Most surreal, and most Melviny video ever--- that was awesome.
     
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    Malikon アストロモンスター V.I.P. Member

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    http://www.theguitarmagazine.com/gibson-custom-shop-tour/

    the glue and the color of the guitar affect the tone, too

    :D

    :laugh2:

    “The idea of getting colour on the guitar without adding material onto the guitar is huge for the overall sound of the guitar and how it rings. "

    Maybe he meant the thickness of the finish but it reads kind of funny.
     
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    until someone has played,loud,at volume...put together multiple sets...many times onstage...backed up several people, and different genres ...written their own lines,wringing that tone loop out of the guitar,and working it into the tunes...in rehersal and live....with all the mistakes,pitfalls and success...glorius controlled feedback...they will never understand.Its an artform unto itself,being co-opted by genteel volume players, of which i am one today.:sadwave:

    i can't wait to get home and plug into my Hiwatt...maybe JTM45...Maybe the 2203...or Fender Super Reverb...vibrolux...Deluxe...vintage 1961 Super...probably all of them,lol.
     
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    learning to mute with both hands and control the monster is a skill in itself.
     
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    Thermionik Not Fade Away Premium Member

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    THIS is how I know I am among good people. They "get it". Thank you, both, very much :applause:
     
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