LPC silverburst 79

Discussion in 'Norlin Years' started by Prometheus, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. Prometheus

    Prometheus Senior Member

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    Hey folks!

    So, right now I'm GASsing for a Les Paul custom in silverburst from 79, despite buying a LP trad last year, the seller is asking around 3k USD for it. The condition of it seems, ok, with some checkings on the body tho, and as it seems, it's loaded with T-top pups.

    Am I the only one who thinks 3k for a Norlin era LPC is somewhat overpriced? Yes I do live in Europe and it's much harder to get great price over here compared to the US. But still...

    Listing is here
    https://www.blocket.se/vi/76791501.htm

    Your thoughts?

    (Yes I love Tool, and that's the part of the GAS)

    P.S. I haven't handled so many customs tbh, the only one I played was a 92 but sound felt so compressed and dead, or sterile if you will. Could you tell me sound characteristics of Norlin era customs?
     
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  2. Progrocker111

    Progrocker111 Senior Member

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    These are really poor photos, i cant even tell if the pickups are original. Price is ok, these late 70s Silverbursts are not cheap here in Europe (if in original condition).

    Otherwise, late 70s LP Customs are good guitars for rock and especially hardrock. The maple neck gives them a snappy direct tone with added treble. But be aware, these can be very heavy Les Pauls (most often in 4.5 - 5.5 kilo range). And they have cheap electronics, 300/100k pots and very cheap caps, which can sometimes make their amplified tone a bit dead.
     
  3. Prometheus

    Prometheus Senior Member

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    Thank you for the reply! Yeah I'm aware of poor pics, I'm just assuming pups to be T-tops (Gonna do the inquiry about that when I contact the seller)
    Tbh, considering the condition, ie checking and most likely dings and what have you that can't be seen by pics, and possibly non original pups, the price should be around 2.5 or so imo, how do you reckon?

    Oh, also, dead tone eh? Hmmm that's the thing I hated about the custom I tried :S
     
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    grumphh Senior Member

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    I have a '79 LPC (ebony) and its tone was slightly "dull" - but still a very nice tone, just to polite for "rock" so i cut the wire going to the tone pots.
    I never use the controls anyway. If it ain't on 11 it's to weak ;)
    It helped and gave the pickups a slight bit of extra brightness, but it is still a very "polished tone" - i guess that is just what you get with heavy customs.

    Now, run that "polished tone" into a dirty amp (like a NMV Marshall - Super Bass in the case of Tool) and the combination is glorious.

    As for the price, well Europe is expensive, and silverbursts have become sort of fashionable, so you pay extra for that finish option - i'd probably see if i could get it down by ~150- 250€, just because haggling has to be done when buying gear :D
    Otherwise i am sure that any LPC from that era will give you that particular sound - if you can find those cheaper, that is...
     
  5. gball

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    I have a '79 Silverburst and it's my #1. The prices seem to be peaking lately for these for some reason so I don't think that's unreasonable.

    They are generally heavy (mine is 5.1 kilos) and with the T-Tops they have a characteristically smooth tone, as mentioned above. The maple neck/ebony 'board combination does give some snap but they tend to have a somewhat compressed sound (grumphh called it "polished" which is a good way of saying it), which is just incredible through a loud high-gain amp.
    I don't tend to play mine except at high volume because that's where it excels, but it is also the best-playing guitar I own.
     
  6. StingyCH

    StingyCH The Bearded guy from Heidi land..

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    Another Tool fan :D I want to purchase a Silverburst too..but younger than this. The price is around 2300€? I like the aged look it has, but can't say nothing about the pups because we have to understand if they're original (and uncovered) or something else. Before I had an '87 and it sounded fantastic, loud and powerful. I did a pots swap with 500k ones and that was when she started to shine in every way..beautiful guitars ;)
     
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  7. 1981 LPC

    1981 LPC Senior Member

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    With pictures of this quality I'd ask for written confirmation regarding originality and repairs.
     
  8. HardCore Troubadour

    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    that price is decent when you consider the sales over the last 2 years.

    I would not take 3K for mine....would not even pull it out for pics at that price.

    The original Silverburst (79-82) increased in value with the whole Adam Jones thing and have surprisingly held up pretty well.



    Date Condition Asking Final
    1/15/2018 Excellent $3,999 $3,999
    12/17/2017 Excellent $4,000 $3,600
    10/31/2017 Very Good $3,695 $3,140.75
    9/4/2017 Excellent $3,250 $3,100
    8/19/2017 Excellent $3,595 $3,545
    8/7/2017 Excellent $3,767 $3,767
    7/30/2017 Excellent $3,599 $3,250
    6/28/2017 Very Good $3,099 $2,950
    6/6/2017 Excellent $3,849 $3,849
    5/18/2017 Good $2,500 $2,350
    8/17/2016 Very Good $3,495 $3,100
    8/6/2016 Good $2,850 $2,700
    6/20/2016 Very Good $3,400 $3,000
    6/13/2016 Good $2,600 $2,500
    6/5/2016 Good $2,850 $2,350
    5/19/2016 Very Good $2,700 $2,600
    5/10/2016 Very Good $3,000 $2,850
    4/20/2016 Very Good $4,750 $3,500
    4/16/2016 Excellent $3,978.09 $3,643.09
    4/12/2016 Very Good $2,950 $2,800
    https://reverb.com/price-guide/guide/12139-gibson-les-paul-custom-1980-silverburst

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  9. Prometheus

    Prometheus Senior Member

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    Woah, and here I am thinking that Adam Jones and Tool are rather obscure compared to... eh dunno, Slash? lol

    I'm not sure in which category I would put that guitar in, decent? Because "very good" feels like you know, without checking and all that. Besides, the guitar is refretted as well.

    But damn, compressed sound huh? And I'm that dude who likes airy sound... hmmmm
     
  10. 1981 LPC

    1981 LPC Senior Member

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    Use your ears. Never ever get hung up on someone's desription of certain tone pertaining to a certain guitar model.
     
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    Prometheus Senior Member

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    Sound advice! (No pun intended... I think? lol) Ughhh gotta drive like 90 mins then :S
     
  12. bhardesty@ymail.com

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    What do you guys think an 81 LPC Silverburst with a Kahler cutout near the bridge is worth? Original parts/frets. Finish wear on neck but no breaks/repairs? He’s got it posted for $2200
     
  13. Phusion974

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    3,500 +/- is the average price for a Norlin LPC silverburst.

    It kind of annoys me when some one sees a Silverburst, they have to mention Tool or Adam Jones somewhere.
     
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    It can't be avoided tho, I mean SB is synonymous with Adam Jones and Tool, it's just like, say when you see a white LPC, you think "Ah Randy Rhodes"
     
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    That's true.
    I love the older SB's though.
    Especially when the lacquer ages and it starts to fade to a nice green.
     
  16. Prometheus

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    am I the odd one who always thinks that it's more gold than green? Like, green tinted gold? (Which is kinda hilarious, silver --> gold)

    also, as a side note, I would never buy a new custom ever, I mean richlite instead of ebony fretboard? Come on

    Oh, one more thing, a friend of mine asked this, and I couldn't answer it, why is a custom far more expensive compared to say a LP standard anyway? There aren't THAT big differences on those models if you ask me.
     
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    I refer to mine as snotburst, but I do see what you mean about the gold - the underlying silver paint doesn't change, it's the clear lacquer that yellows making it look greenish/goldish.

    As for the Richlite, have you played one? I am as big a fan of LPC's as anyone and I think the Richlite looks and feels better than the ebony on any of the ones I have owned. Not a negative at all, and not done as a cost-saving thing. That Richlite stuff is expensive.

    Customs cost more historically because they have double the binding, much more extensive inlay work on the headstock and real MOP markers. Same goes for today, and then you have to add in the Custom Shop premium. Modern Customs are one of the best guitars ever built IMO.
     
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    If you'd ever tried doing multiply binding on a headstock (or in a cutaway for that matter), you'd never be asking why they're so expensive.
     
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    The ebony fretboard and the mop inlays - and perhaps slightly heavier tuners- are the only differences between late 70's customs and standards (and Deluxes if you don't count the pickups ;) ).
    (I used to have a '78 LPDeluxe that you wouldn't have been able to tell apart from my '79 LPC if blindfolded and strumming it unplugged- same neck feel, same weight - and even the unplugged tone was fairly similar... Different story in daylight - those late 70's "sunbursts" were not exactly aesthetically pleasing)

    The reason Customs are priced so much higher is simply because it is "the luxury model" and people who want luxury goods are conditioned to expect those to come at high prices - mainly so that the riff raff can't afford them, and thereby through ownership to be able to distinguish yourself from said riff raff - which is something that makes manufacturers of luxury goods smile :)
     
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    Ive owned a bunch of customs with ebony fretboards and one with a richlite. It plays and sounds just as good as ebony.
    People are quick to judge but I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one with richlite.

    As others have mentioned customs are more labor intensive, hence the price.
     

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