les pauls with tremolo's, floyd roses and weird crap

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  1. Webtroll

    Webtroll Senior Member

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    I want one! The shadows are throwing me off; I thought the bridge pickup rind on the Floyd mounted Gibsons were short and not the standard tall due to the decreased neck angle. What am I missing?
     
  2. dspelman

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    I've got Kahlers on several guitars. You can both dive and pull the pitch as on a Floyd. The good news with a Kahler is that the action doesn't change height when you do this (as it does with a Floyd). The bad news is that some folks with floppy tunings who get *really* agro with the dive bombing will occasionally have a string jump a saddle. Very rare (I've never had it happen) and, far as I know, the only remotely critical thing I've heard about a Kahler.

    The rest of the good news is that bends are easier with a Kahler -- on a Floyd the rear will raise (this increases the distance you have to go horizontally to do a full-stop bend) and the rest of the strings will go out of tune. Not so on a Kahler. And with a Kahler, there's no giant swimming pool rout out of the back of the guitar for springs. The Kahler needs about a 3/4" deep rout on the front of the guitar and that's it.
     
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    They are kinda short. The bridge ring is 1/4" high at it's highest point. A 3/8" ring would work but no more. A historic ring (1/2") will not fit.

    Here's a side view.

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  4. ozone_00

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    Isn't half the reason for playing a Les Paul so that you can bend with your fingers?
     
  5. captain tightpants

    captain tightpants Banned

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    +1, and I will add that another HUGE plus to the Kahler is they are so smooth, you can do very nice subtle "Put a Spell On You" Bigsby-like vibratos that never sound right with a Floyd. AND you can actually rest your hand on it without it going out of tune on you.

    The Floyd has a bigger range in pitch variation, but Idon't like them.
     
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    Wow this is old skool:shock: ha ah

    :hmm:I don't know why but i find that i never use the floyd rose i just prefer the feel of it to a tune o matic if you know what i mean:D
     
  7. dspelman

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    If you say so. But what does that have to do with dives and dips? Or, for that matter, with pullups that go beyond what you have space for on a fretboard?
     
  8. Webtroll

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    I just don't care for the Khaler type tremolos and I actually feel shame that I mounted one on a '76 Std (back around '85) because I felt it ruined the guitar. No negative preconceptions on the tremolo, I just didn't like it. My second mistake was getting rid of the guitar instead of just playing it with the original bridge and tailpiece and living with the holes I'd made.

    That said I've owned a couple of Floyd Rose equipped guitars and have liked them (the lone exception being I have a Khaler made Floyd on a Peavey that is less than inspiring, but that could be due to the Tremsetter), so I'd like to try a Floyd on a Les Paul.
     
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    Those are masturbation, finger bends are sweet love makin'.
     
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    Here's an 84 standard I bought back in my senior year of high school. Factory Kahler.

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    Hey Guys,

    Here is my 87 Standard with Kahler:
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    That's nice.
     
  16. dspelman

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    This is a fairly typical LP installation, with the Floyd up in the air (and the case modified to handle it) because the neck angle forces that. Compare that to the two Gibsons (the Neal Schon Sig and the Axcess) pictures that were designed around the Floyd. Those have it recessed (and you'll find the neck angle is different on those guitars as well).
     
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    That thing is tight! :thumb:
     
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    Did someone say tremolo? :thumb:

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    That wine red is beautiful. How's the Bigsby working out for you?
     
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    It's working great, no problems so far. I would actually say it's just as stable as it was with the stock tailpiece. I thought I was going to have some trouble keeping her in tune, but apparently not.

    Some nice Lesters in here, btw! :thumb:
     

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