Is it just me or does Jimmy Vaughn complete suck at guitar?

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  1. logen99999

    logen99999 Senior Member

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    I recently watched the entire Crossroads concert, and i also went through some of SRV's early shows i own, and it led me to Jimmy Vaughn.

    Jimmy Vaughn is horrible. He should not be famous and playing in front of thousands. I have no idea why Eric Clapton let him on stage at crossroads. His lead playing sounds exactly like mine did 2 years into playing guitar. It doesn't have any style either. it's not like playing slow clumsy leads is his "thing" because that's not what it is. it's just really bad guitar playing. let me know if you guys agree with me.

    check out his videos of youtube.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9lHH_n5Hn4]Six Strings Down -- Jimmie Vaughan w/Robert Cray & Hubert Sumlin Live From Crossroads - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Thumpalumpacus Senior Member

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    You forgot to put up your own video for the sake of comparison.

    Myself, I like a player who knows when to sit out.
     
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    allbusinessjoe Senior Member

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    Yeah, he may be trying to make a living off his brother's name. He plays way better than me, but I know local players that play way better than him. (But then again, he has 30 years of playing on me.)
     
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    zontar Senior Member

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    I think it might just be you.

    No one guitarist is going to please or impress everybody.
     
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    Thumpalumpacus Senior Member

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    He has a unique voice on the instrument.
     
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    rockstar232007 Senior Member

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    The look on Robert Cray's face in the video still is priceless!:laugh2:

    I'm pretty sure he's thinking, "NO way you're related to SRV!".:thumb:
     
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    logen99999 Senior Member

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    he doesn't impress anybody though.

    here's what impresses. this makes Vaughn look like an amateur. skip to 3:40 for the two solos.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBat7cNjmpo[/ame]

    or search youtube for this.

    John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers with Gary Moore / So Many Roads
     
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    Thumpalumpacus Senior Member

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    It's not bad ... certainly more accomplished technically.
     
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    logen99999 Senior Member

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    can you explain to me what that voice is?
     
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    Thumpalumpacus Senior Member

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    Can you describe the color red? Or the scent of cedar burning? The feel of seawater on your skin?

    I hear him speaking in music.

    eta: Also, I notice you never posted your own playing, even though you said you'd surpassed him after only two years on the instrument.
     
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    The_Sentry Senior Member

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    I don't think he's bad. He just doesn't bend notes or use vibrato much. If that's his style, then that's his style.
     
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    zontar Senior Member

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    Says who?

    Music is about more than impressing people with how good you can play.

    While I never put down technique, music is about feel--and I am just as impressed by feel as by technique-(if not more)-of course if you have both, even better.
    But I have heard musicians who have incredible technique and leave me cold, and I've heard musicians with poor technique, who still play with great feel--and I'm impressed.

    Sounds to me like you're just jealous because he has a career in music.
     
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    Thumpalumpacus Senior Member

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    You don't say ....
     
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    mdubya Senior Member

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    I totally get why you don't like Jimmy Vaughan if that Gary Moore run is your idea of good.

    Gary, to me, can never help himself. His tone is way too modern and he always comes off sounding like a frustrated 80's shredder playing the blues.

    His early fills and turned down tone were sweet and tasty in that clip though.

    Buddy Whittington was the real shining star on that one though, IMHO.

    I am not a fan of Jimmy Vaughan's stab and jab fill playing, nor was I a fan of SRV's 'extreme' hyperactive shuffles.

    Mayall and his group has the groove down though. :thumb:

    Doesn't make it right or wrong, just what I like.

    None of them sound like Hubert Sumlin with Howling Wolf, though.
     
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    logen99999 Senior Member

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    Yes i prefer Buddy Whittington in that clip as well. greatly. when i rewatch it i always pay attention to Buddy's lead. it's so varied and engaging. Moore's is great too, but Buddy's is more sophisticated.

    See this is where i disagree. we cant just say that sloppy clumsy playing is a style.

    I dont see it as technique VS feel. there is only technique. and either you're technique is good or bad. shredding extremely fast without any sense or relative compliment to the music aside from rhythm is bad technique. You can be a 20 year veteran and still have bad technique.

    Of course i'm jealous, i'm sure we're all a little jealous of people who take this hobby and make a lucrative career out of it.
     
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    Never "got" his appeal....loved his brother though!!
     
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    old mark Senior Member

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    It's you, dude.

    He's great even just chording...

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPNifLxDSnI&feature=related[/ame]


    or...
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6-xseK0nys&feature=related[/ame]




    You listen to too much shit like Metallica.
     
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    I think he's pretty great. And one of the coolest guys you'll ever meet as well.

    I think you hope to hear his brother when he plays. They're obviously different, and that's not bad.
     
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    logen99999 Senior Member

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    i dont listen to Metallica, or slash or Stevie Vai, etc. i appreciate slower expressive playing. Vaughn cant do it. he's a hack. and i'm sure Clapton knows it too. Why he allowed him to play at crossroads is beyond me.

    I've been to jams where Jimmy Vaughn would of been asked to leave. I've been to that Guitar center blues thing where half the people there are as good as him and the other half could smoke him.

    i'm not saying this with the intent of bringing him down, nor do i have anything personal against him. Just because somebody is famous or comes from a gene pool of talent doesn't mean we can backwards rationalize his playing as "speaking in music" or even as "good" in this case.
     
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    Stevie 202 Senior Member

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    Ya either gets it or ya don't.

    You don't.

    No worries, just move on. :thumb:
     
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