What he said .. being a black powder shooter I'd say that BP has very little of what would be decribed as kick. I can load 120grs as a maximum in my .50 caliber rifle with very little if any real precieved recoil. The thing to remember here concerning BP cartridges is they are loaded by volume, NOT by weighed charges as in modern smokless powder cartridges. The other thing to remember is that BP is not as picky about charge weights. Wether you load 20grs, or 30grs of black powder in your smoke pole there will not be a huge noticeable difference in performance, or precieved recoil. But would be with modern smokeless propellents.