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  1. clutchcargo

    clutchcargo Bionic Member Premium Member

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    I didn't come up with anything helpful. Is there anyway to check the bobbin colors underneath the covers without taking them off? I have a stock 2014 R8 with custombuckers.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. cooljuk

    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    For the screw bobbin, you can back one of the pole screws out enough to see underneath it with a flashlight.

    For the slug bobbin, you will need to back one of the small brass bobbin-mounting screws out from the back of the pickup and look inside with a flashlight. The flashlight isn't really optional, as cream will look back if you don't have any light in there.

    That's all you need to do. Then you know each bobbin's color, for sure.
     
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    clutchcargo Bionic Member Premium Member

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    Thanks cooljuk.
     
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    FennRx Senior Member

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    I'm betting double black
     
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    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    No problem.

    I know it's not the case with yours but, I've heard at least a dozen times someone tell me they took the covers off their vintage PAFs because they wanted to know what the bobbin colors were. Doh! That can be a couple grand down the drain!
     
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    clutchcargo Bionic Member Premium Member

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    Meh, they look black. Not my style as I was hoping for double creams.
     
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    Good bet. You should of doubled down.
     
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    clutchcargo Bionic Member Premium Member

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    I know it wouldn't be vintage original. But can't they just be soldered back on. Isn't it just to small solder spots on both sides of the covers?
     
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    Tim Plains Senior Member

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    Practically all historic pickup sets are double black.

    You're referring to thee most anal people here.
     
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    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Sure, but I, along with most others, would be HIGHLY skeptical of a set of PAFs for sale that had the covers removed and reinstalled. How would anyone know the coils, magnet, etc are original? At that point, it's better to sell them with the covers removed and lots of detailed photos, hoping to convince buyers of originality (which many will doubt, even if everything is perfectly original). With the covers off or the solder joints unoriginal (you can tell) the value takes a real hit.

    Also, one reason that I've received those calls telling me the covers came off is because the owner damaged the coils or internal wiring or both in the process of removing or reinstalling the covers and needed the PAF rewound. A PAF with a re-wound coil is worth even less than one without the original soldered cover.
     
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    Do custom buckers come in double cream or zebra? Random like the 59-60 bursts?
     
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    I think that the Custom Shop only produced Double Cream Custombuckers on CC and artist runs because DiMarzio has a Trademark on the double cream humbucker. But you may find zebra style under those covers.
     
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    How the he'll can a company have a copyright on what colour bobbins they use? That sounds really bizarre
     
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    Only in America.

    @OP: Odds are, if they are covered, they're all-black.
     
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    Actually it's a Trademark . Larry DiMarzio Trademarked the look of his pickups., double cream. Sorry for the mix up, I corrected it.
     
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    But how can they put a trademark on a colour?
    Just seems really odd
     
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    Yes, there has been several debates about this. The fact that Gibson had accidentally invented the double cream in 1959 had no effect on DiMarzios bid on a Trademark.
     
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    So who's got the zebra or black trademark lol seems like an endless pit of legal shit lol
     
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    The big problem with trademarks is you have to fight everyone who infringes on them to keep it. That is how Bayer lost its trademark Aspirin (it never fought for it until it was too late), now it can be used as a generic term. Any Brand can Trademark a "look" a phrase or a word, as it represents that Brand.
     
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    C_Becker Dat Gibson smell Premium Member

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    And that is why DiMarzio will never see even a single cent of my money.
     
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