how to detect flame under the goldtop

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  1. Big John

    Big John So I'm standing in line at the bank, and I stick m V.I.P. Member

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    Besides looking at the maple grain inside the control cavity, is there a way to detect possible flames under the gold? Special lighting? Special goggles? Xray/CT/MRI?
     
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    strat1701 El Diablo Cazador De Hombres Premium Member

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    I figured it was all smoke and mirrors/magic shit and requiring a wizard from the ancient order....
     
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    I could see mine clear as day at the right angle. Came out an almost perfect flame top. IMG_20161217_164319.jpg
     
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    Blasphemy that they would cover that with paint.
     
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    judson Senior Member

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    i remember a thread that asked if Gibson would hand pick bodies to cover with a solid color based upon the grain, if it was shitty they would paint it black, gold, red or whatever but i think the general consensus was they were running a production line and really didnt take the time to inspect each.....so its a hit or miss thing i think

    or its easy just order these.....

    i ordered a pair when i was 7, guess they are still on the way...:hyper:

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    Dayum!
     
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    Sct13 Gold Supporter Premium Member

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    Wow I never thought to apply this to guitars....

    This is exactly how they check first surface mirrors for imperfections that would disqualify the glass for coating. These types of mirrors are used in high quality telescopes. Of course its under high magnification but its the same principle.

    thanx for posting that.

    The scientist in me says I'm trying this at the first opportunity...!
     
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  9. Big John

    Big John So I'm standing in line at the bank, and I stick m V.I.P. Member

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    rockstar232007, you get a cookie. Easy to see but damn hard to photograph. This is what's under the gold of my 2010 R7 VOS.

    IMG_2007.JPG IMG_2008.JPG IMG_2009.JPG

    Looks like Johnny has a re-fin project in his future.
     
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    That's awesome, John! Now that I have a decent camera setup, I going to have to try that.

    And, believe me, trying to get that on video was no easy task. The crappy part is, I did it in HD, but at the time I uploaded the vid, YT hadn't quite rounded the curve, so...

    Btw, no cookie needed. Just glad I could help.:thumb:
     
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    Big John So I'm standing in line at the bank, and I stick m V.I.P. Member

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    I just e-mailed the pics to a some luthier/repair buddies, and all of them said the same thing: "wtf?" I think this just might be the new standard for flame detection. Later today, I'll try to move the paper around to catch different areas of the top.
     
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    Awesome!:D
     
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    A friend of mine here in Australia had a really early mint '57 GT (with black rings & guard).

    The Flame Maple Top could clearly be seen under the Gold.

    :cheers2:
     
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    I tried moving the paper around for different angled shots, but the hardware reflections made it difficult to clearly make out the grain. I did catch glimpses of flame at every angle. I think I noticed a decent sized mineral streak next to the bridge, which might explain why they shot gold over this. Because of the flame and the fact that the neck is smaller than just about every R7 that I've played before, I'm guessing this thing started out life as a R8/9 before it got pulled off the line.
     
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    Big John So I'm standing in line at the bank, and I stick m V.I.P. Member

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    I enhanced the pics a little to pop the grain...

    IMG_2007.JPG IMG_2010.JPG
     
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    This method is also a great way to read over-painted serial numbers, as on many white Gibsons.
     
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    Might have to try this method. I can actually see the waves of figuring through the finish on my R7 and in the cavity.
     
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    Note, that this method can also be used to determine how many pieces a top is comprised of.
     
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    I wonder if it could also be used to detect well repaired headstock breaks, too? :hmm:


    Frank
     
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    Don't see why not?

    Once the finish "settles", it will conform to ANY imperfections/abnormalities in the wood.
     
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