Help with a Doobie Brothers riff

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  1. Byron999

    Byron999 Senior Member

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    The Doobie Brothers - "Don't Stop To Watch The Wheels"

    First, if anyone knows how this lick is played, could you please share. I've not found any lessons or tab for it.

    I've tried to figure this out for some time now (many moons). Its just too cool sounding.

    But, I need help. Maybe a team effort?

    Here is what I think is the tab. I think I'm getting close.

    Here is the intro, which is repeated through out the song.

    Here are a few mp3 files of the lick slowed down to a percentage of the original speed.


    https://soundcloud.com/byron999/doobie-bros-intro-riff-at-60-perecent


    https://soundcloud.com/byron999/doobie-bros-intro-riff-at-80-perecent


    https://soundcloud.com/byron999/doobie-bros-intro-riff-at-90-perecent


    Don't Stop To Watch The Wheels  -  TAB .jpg



    Also, here is the song tempo at 85% of original

    https://soundcloud.com/byron999/dont-stop-to-watch-full-song-at-85-speed
     
  2. KP11520

    KP11520 Senior Member

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    Definitely sounds like Jeff (Skunk) Baxter's chops to me. He has a knack for interesting riffs, evident with his Early Steely Dan recordings. He's got his own timing if you asked me. Not always so straight forward.

    I'll check this out later!
     
  3. Freddy G

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    the beginning is not right....first, it's an E bent a semitone to an F. You've got F-F#. Then your third note again is an F not an F#. Tabbing this out would take me all day...if someone else doesn't pipe in I'll just play it and video it....much easier for me!
     
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    I agree with Freddy on the beginning.....
    Sounds something like an E bent to an F, Hit the A on the first string and run it back.
     
  5. Byron999

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    Thanks for looking at this lick.

    Freddy, an example, slowly and at tempo would be much appreciated.

    I'll do the same if I can work any of these up to speed, at least up to 90%.

    Its been so beneficial trying to emulate this lick, its so rich in texture.

    :cool2: thanks Mr. Baxter , I know you'd understand :420:, and you wouldn't record it and then speed it up mechanically :slap:

    Looking at it further I've come up with version 2
    Don't Stop To Watch The Wheels - Tab ver.002.jpg
     
  6. JonR

    JonR Senior Member

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    F bent to F# is how I hear it:
    Code:
    ---|--5--------------------|-----------------------
    -6b|7---7------------------|--------------------------
    ---|------7-5--------------|------------------------
    ---|----------7-5-3-4------|------3h5\-------------------
    ---|------------------5-3-0|--3h5-----1h3-----------------
    ---|-----------------------|1----------------------
        1     2     3     4     1     2     3     4
    .
    ---|--5--------------------|-----------------------
    -6b|7---7------------------|--------------------------
    ---|------7-5--------------|------------------------
    ---|----------7-5-3-4------|------3h5--------------------
    ---|------------------5-3-0|--3h5-----3h5-----------------
    ---|-----------------------|1----------------------
        1     2     3     4     1     2     3     4
    
    The repeat is the same as first time except for the last two notes.

    The G on fret 5 on beat 3 could be the open 3rd string. The 4th fret note is held a little across the next beat.

    EDIT: posted at the same time as Byron999! Some disagreements, obviously. I stand by mine in terms of notes, although tab positions are debatable.
     
  7. Byron999

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    Thanks Jon, I'll play with your example today.
     
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    Okay, I think my ver 2 was so close, but one note was still missing.

    I added the open D and I really think this is it............:cool2::lol:


    Don't Stop To Watch The Wheels - Tab ver.003.jpg
     
  9. Byron999

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    Version 3 got me closer, however one note was still wrong.

    Many passes are played with heavy attack, without the little delay he uses on some passes.
    By slowing the song 40 %, one can count the number notes he plays after the D string hammer on.

    This song is just too cool not to be in some ones play list.

    The tempo of this song is fast. Slowed down this that can color the technique, a slide sounds like bend, so listen to the original as well. The software to slow down the examples does a good job maintaining the correct pitch and allows distinction between a open string and its fretted note.

    Don't Stop To Watch The Wheels - Tab ver.004.jpg


    Anyway, I do believe this to be correct , try it out.
     
  10. Byron999

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    Here is the Intro upto the chorus slowed to 40 percent.


    https://soundcloud.com/byron999/doobie-bros-riff-demo-at-40-perecent



    I use my index and little finger to play the first part down to the hammer on on the D string, and then miiddle /ring fingers for the 3h4 hammer on.

    add a little slide up to the 'a' string 3h5 hammer on.

    very cool sounding
     
  11. JonR

    JonR Senior Member

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    There's no G string after the F#, and the following D can't be the open string because the F# sustains across it. I also think the F# is picked, not hammered on.
    You're also missing the hammer-on to the final notes: 1h3 first time. (You mentioned the 3h5 second time, but both are worth putting in the tab.)

    I think you've improved on mine in a couple of other places though! Here's my latest guess:
    Code:
    ---|--5--------------------|-----------------------
    -6b|7---7-3----------------|--------------------------
    ---|--------5-2-0----------|------------------------
    ---|--------------3-4------|------3h5\-------------------
    ---|------------------5-3-0|--3h5-----1h3-----------------
    ---|-----------------------|1----------------------
        1     2     3     4     1     2     3     4
    .
    ---|--5--------------------|-----------------------
    -6b|7---7-3----------------|--------------------------
    ---|--------5-2-0----------|------------------------
    ---|--------------3-4------|------3h5--------------------
    ---|------------------5-3-0|--3h5-----3h5-----------------
    ---|-----------------------|1----------------------
        1     2     3     4     1     2     3     4
    
    Interestingly, the whole riff sits under the fingers better in a different tuning E-A-D-F#-B-E...
    That F# rings as if it's an open string. (That would also work if the whole guitar was down a half-step, but that makes the lick less intuitive in other respects.)
    It works well in open D, which puts makes that low 1st fret note on 3rd fret ... food for thought..... ;)
     
  12. JonR

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    Here it is in open D:
    Code:
    D ---|--7---0----------------|-----------------------
    A -8b|9---9---3--------------|--------------------------
    F#---|----------3-----0------|------------------------
    D ---|------------5-3---0----|------3h5\-------------------
    A ---|--------------------3-0|--3h5-----1h3-----------------
    D ---|-----------------------|3----------------------
          1     2     3     4     1     2     3     4
    .
    D ---|--7---0----------------|-----------------------
    A -8b|9---9---3--------------|--------------------------
    F#---|----------3-----0------|------------------------
    D ---|------------5-3---0----|------3h5--------------------
    A ---|--------------------3-0|--3h5-----3h5-----------------
    D ---|-----------------------|3----------------------
          1     2     3     4     1     2     3     4
    
    Maybe worth a try?
     
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    Thanks Jon, I'll play with that today. I appreaciate your input. The open tuning looks interesting.
     
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    Jon I think you are correct with the open D tuning.

    The only change is where to play that "A", the 6th note. Instead of 3rd String, 3rd fret, play the open A string. sounds spot on.

    Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it. I would have never figured it out.
     
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    Here is the lick tab I think most will evolve to with this lick.

    "Interestingly, the whole riff sits under the fingers better in a different tuning..."

    Jon, they do, here is the lick with 5th note and 6th (open A) notes played at the first hand position.

    DB riff Open D tunning - JonR.jpg


    This really makes the riff much easier to play at speed. I still slide up the F# (first note)




    Again, thanks for your help.
    Byron
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2017

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