HELP! Kluson Locking Tuner Install on 90's Epi Riviera

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  1. stilwel

    stilwel Senior Member

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    After months of searching I finally found an early 90's sunburst Epiphone Riviera to replace the one I let get away a few years ago.

    I bought a set of Kluson 3+3 Locking vintage keystone tuners to install on it. The bushings are a perfect fit. The hole mounting pattern lines up perfectly.

    The problem: the tuner post hole that the string is supposed to pass through is just barely visible above the top of the bushing. I can't get the strings through the holes!! The bushings are fully seated flush with the top of the headstock and I have the rear mounting screws snugged up so everything is tight.

    Anyone ever had this issue? It never occurred to me that the thickness of the headstock or post length could be an issue. I was more concerned with hole pattern and bushing diameter.
     
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    kevinpaul Premium Member

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    Can you drill a few millimeters to give you a little space for the strings to fit? I just installed locking tuners on an Epiphone and a set on a Fender. The height varies, the high ones are for the EAD stings and lower are for the thin treble strings GBE strings. Are your tuners like that?
     
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    stilwel Senior Member

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    Thanks for the reply.

    I looked to see if they are staggered height and they don't appear to be.
     
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    stilwel Senior Member

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    Obviously being 3 to a side, they will only fit on one side and not the other.
     
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    Not much you can do but return them I'm afraid.

    They're meant for a thinner headstock it would seem.
     
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    stilwel Senior Member

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    So I ended up going with Gotoh Magnum Locking Keystone tuners. Longer posts and they installed easily. Look great too.

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    KP11520 Senior Member

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    Good for you!

    I will most likely be installing the Thumb Wheel locking version of them on my JDM Les Paul Standard!

    Make sure the Nut is lubed with something long lasting and you'll never have tuning issues! :thumb:
     
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    truckermde Senior Member

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    Great solution!
     
  9. stilwel

    stilwel Senior Member

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    Imparting knowledge gained over this adventure...

    The Klusons are made for vintage guitars which have a 1/2" (12.7mm) headstock thickness. Modern guitars, in an effort to avoid headstock breaks are thicker, and closer to 17mm.

    Modern Epiphones require tuners with a minimum 20mm post length.

    http://g-gotoh.com/international/product/sd90.html
    http://g-gotoh.com/international/product/sd91.html

    SD90 is larger keystone buttons
    SD91 is smaller metal buttons

    MG is the magnum locking mechanism
    MG-T is the magnum locking with the "Traditional" rear-mounted thumbscrew

    Of course they also offer standard, non-locking versions.

    It's only a few bucks more to get the locking versions. I recommend them for Rivieras and Casinos, particularly if you have, or plan to install, a Bigsby vibrato.
     
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    Rocco Crocco Senior Member

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    I have these thumbwheel Klusons on my PRS SE. They work flawlessly.
     
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    KP11520 Senior Member

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    Thank You! Now there is no doubt these will be on my LP in the near future! :thumb:

    They look to have everything I'd ever want in a "Kluson" style!
     

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