Gibson Price Increase

Discussion in 'Historics & Reissues' started by markguitar, Sep 20, 2017.

  1. DimiPana

    DimiPana Junior Member

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    I have never owned a Gibson and for a good reason: Too much money and too much hype. A very long time ago, a Gibson was worth having although equally comparable alternatives existed in the competition. Today, it is pointless to own a Gibson when you can buy a decent guitar at a fraction of the price. Even Gibson has entered (and "in force" mind you all) the realm of the "cheaper but playable" guitar making and for a reason: Back in the '70s Ibanez proved the Gibson top management idiots that a good instrument does not have to cost prices so prohibiting that Gibsons were stolen like gold bars. Today for example a Gibson ES-330 (trapeze, P-90s, thin hollowbody, no center block, double cutaway) can cost as high as $12,000 (no kidding, just google it!) and that does not necessarily mean that it is in tip-top shape for playing. In contrast Epiphone (Gibson's "poor cousin") makes a cheap Casino (essentially an ES-330) for about $600, while Ibanez made the (even better, more affordable) ASR-70VB between (approx. 2013-1016) which is now discontinued but sells between ~ $250 and $400 and which is a fantastic guitar for the money as is plus a good diy setup. And optionally can be upgraded with the usual (but not necessary) i.e. better harness, pickups and by adding (for those into that kind of playing) a Bigbsy for so much less $$ than even a Casino and at 1/10 (or more) of the price of a Gibson. I know because I own one and Gibson owners ask me if I am interested to sell it. I say no! If you are a non-musician collector, sure go ahead and spend your money to an overrated Gibson and then hang it on the wall. But if you are -truly- a musician, all you need is a well built and most important properly maintained instrument. And remember, no one ever became a better musician just because overnight they switched from a $300 to a $3,000 guitar.

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  2. Hatefulsob

    Hatefulsob Senior Member

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    Doesn't everyone be here already own a LP? Who cares if the price of what you already own goes up or down? It won't cost an extra nickle to play your guitar after this increase.
     
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  3. vintageguitarz

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    "PSA: As of Monday, dealer cost on ALL Gibson guitar prices have gone up a minimum of 10%! And on some, a lot more than 10%. I'll keep my thoughts and opinions to myself for now. :eek::wow::facepalm:"

    REALLY?? You think with Food, Fuel, Automotive, appliances, furniture, Electricity, especially Healthcare costs, etc., prices are skyrocketing, GIbson, Fender, et al should keep their prices flat??

    What are you smoking or drinking?

    In 1980 you could buy a new Ford Escort for $2,500., in 2017 you're paying $16,775 for a Ford Focus. Duh, it's called Cost Of Living Increases.

    God Bless Gibson, my 1981 Les Paul Standard I bought in 1981 for $500 new is now worth another 10% more than last year (and so are all my other vault full of Vintage Gibson's).
     
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  4. jageya

    jageya Senior Member

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    I agree. The whole musicianship concept has changed. The kids i know that play think they are on star search and have talent and like a dj think they are a musician to begin with because they can mimic u2.
     
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  5. peter1954

    peter1954 Junior Member

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    As long as the idiot fringe consuming public stands for it, they'll keep doing this. The prices reflect whatever the market will bear, and it is YOU that set the prices, not Gibson.

    I mean you know, they need it. They need to keep coming up with useless money making schemes (useless to consumers, HIGHLY profitable for them) like hysterical series (90s) and commemorative models as well as charging astronomically for what they consider upgrades, like quilted maple (once considered a fault in the wood industry but now worth a couple of hundred extra) as well as their endless array of 'specialized' humbuckers that are basically the same, just with some star's name endorsement or an extra wrap or two on the coils. It's big business and YOU are all falling for it, allowing them to keep sticking it to you. Like a cast iron spiked enema. And ironically, the most sought after models are those that were made back when there were 3 versions available: the Junior, the Standard and the Custom, and a humbucker was a humbucker. And incidentally, that PAF sticker is the most expensive decal ever, because there was absolutely no change after the patent was granted.
     
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  6. strat1701

    strat1701 El Diablo Cazador De Hombres Premium Member

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    Man, I am so glad I got out of the flipping/selling market when I did...this is not all that unexpected from Gibson. Their "loyal" constituent group just keeps getting smaller and smaller, NO 6 figure "new" guitar will get them out of their financial hole, people with that kind of disposable income are WAY discerning at that price point. Gibson is blind, deaf and dumb if they can't see they are even pricing themselves out of the small market from those who can actually afford them....they only have themselves to blame
     
  7. Roshy Boy

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    I'm just glad the forces of nature are no longer compelling me to buy any more guitars now. 2016 and 2017 has been a wild ride for me.

    I'm all set with Gibson now. On Fender, I'm still resisting an Esquire and know eventually I'll cave. It'll be used, and they don't come around locally too often.
     
  8. zamdrang

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    Taken with wide eyes, this should not really surprise if you look at the trajectory of Gibson in the last 20 years.

    Some of the comments here blow me away... "fire sale prices"... talk about drinking the Kool Aid. Even on "sale" the prices of Gibsons are still a joke. There is NOTHING Gibson brings to to the table that is intrinsically superior to what any other manufacturer is capable of. That so many have paid so much for so many years for nothing more than a name has created an ever expanding bubble that has to burst sooner or later.

    Most under 40 could care less about Gibson or Fender or have any nostalgia for Page or Clapton or even know what Pearly Gates refers to. It's a vapid culture where the guitar is no longer what it once was.
     
  9. mudface

    mudface Senior Member

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    To me the increase doesn't mean much, i will end up buying another Gibson at some point new or used, it happens. I like guitars and when i find something that i like it doesn't matter if it's $200 OR $5000, if I got the cash I'm taken it home. From Teisco to Gibson, I like what i like.:D
     
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  10. Tinpan

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    It can't be that quality control is costing them more - LoL.
     
  11. Tinpan

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    That is called Guitar Acquisition Syndrome (GAS) and I suffer from that too!
     
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  12. Fret Hopper

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    In business, raising prices in a declining market is sometimes referred to as a "death spiral".

    Mark
     
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  13. goldtop0

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    I always try to buy used anyway mind you in saying that 3 of my 4 historics were new guitars but at 'good deal' prices.
     
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    They are going to price themselves out of business!!!!!!
     
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  15. C.J.

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    Just acquired a stock 1966 SG standard in good condition. PAF's the lot.
    £3000

    Why the fck would anyone buy a new one?
     
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  16. Hatefulsob

    Hatefulsob Senior Member

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    The "market" has been carried largely by not new players taking up guitar but by the collecting obsession evidenced here and at places like tgp; guys owning 15 - 30 or more guitars. It's not sustainable nor does it need to be sustained; gluts never last.
     
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  17. C.J.

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    $800,000,000 in the red suggests they've more than managed that already ..
     
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    I'm on a Fender kick. I could care less.
     
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    ........paragraphs are your friend. ;)

    :cheers2:
     
  20. Andy California

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    What do you mean by that?
     

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